On 3/27/2012 3:47 PM, BAR wrote:
In article23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
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says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.


So, what you are saying is that if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and asked
the Martin "what are you doing here", and Martin had beat Zimmerman to
death, that would have been ok because Zimmerman got out and asked him a
question?

On 3/27/12 4:38 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/27/2012 3:47 PM, BAR wrote:
In article23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It
appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug
wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all
Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at
168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you
guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it
that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.


So, what you are saying is that if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and asked
the Martin "what are you doing here", and Martin had beat Zimmerman to
death, that would have been ok because Zimmerman got out and asked him a
question?


Zimmerman had no business asking the kid "what are you doing here?" and
the kid had no obligation to respond to such a question. Zimmerman is
not in the law enforcement business.

On 3/27/2012 4:16 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

In article23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.

Yep, the no retreat clause is the same for Martin as it is for
Zimmerman.

You whole heatedly believe that if a person didn't have a gun and asked
another person a question which led him to beat the questioner to death
it's ok, as long as the person being asked a question is black and wins
the altercation... I get it...

On 3/27/2012 4:24 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:11:08 -0400, wrote:

In article2380703.423.1332876250212.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynim7, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.

I can not believe the people on the right spinning this into a guy who
is completely out of line shoots and kills an innocent kid and he's your
hero.

More Kevinesque bull****.

Cite? Show one statement implying Zimmerman is a hero.

He can't, he just made it up...

wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, wrote:

I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

There are 57 states, according to the 1-term POTUS.

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 3:47 PM, BAR wrote:
In article23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.


So, what you are saying is that if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and asked
the Martin "what are you doing here", and Martin had beat Zimmerman to
death, that would have been ok because Zimmerman got out and asked him a
question?

Zimmerman had already contacted the police and the police were on their
way. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car.

I was taught at a very young age that it doesn't matter who you think
you are and what you think you are capable of doing, the other guy might
be able to kick your ass easily. The question becomes, do you want to
get your ass kicked and find out for sure.

On 3/28/12 8:02 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 3/27/2012 3:47 PM, BAR wrote:
In article23409357.826.1332874413803.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlw24, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:18:12 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant
The state has to prove it is not true.
We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

What was the kid supposed to do, allow the guy to come and attack him?
How was Martin supposed to know that the guy wasn't some thug wanting to
rob him, or kill him?

When Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there the first time, all Martin had to say was "I'm going to my father's house, he lives at 168 Maple Dr., call him if you don't believe me." Game over, and you guys wouldn't be having this argument.

Since ya'll are so wound up about this, here's another take on it that I just happened to have run across. Interesting.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-765534

I like how the article paints Zimmerman as a gang member which also
paints Martin as a racist. Nice touch.

The interesting part of the transcript is:

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away...S**t he's
running.

Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Once Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin all bets were off.
Zimmerman wound up getting his ass kicked and fired a gun because he was
losing the fight.


So, what you are saying is that if Zimmerman didn't have a gun and asked
the Martin "what are you doing here", and Martin had beat Zimmerman to
death, that would have been ok because Zimmerman got out and asked him a
question?

Zimmerman had already contacted the police and the police were on their
way. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car.

I was taught at a very young age that it doesn't matter who you think
you are and what you think you are capable of doing, the other guy might
be able to kick your ass easily. The question becomes, do you want to
get your ass kicked and find out for sure.


Your boy Scotty imagines himself as a tough guy.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:11:08 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 2380703.423.1332876250212.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynim7, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.

I can not believe the people on the right spinning this into a guy who
is completely out of line shoots and kills an innocent kid and he's your
hero.

More Kevinesque bull****.

Cite? Show one statement implying Zimmerman is a hero.

**** you.

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 4:24 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:11:08 -0400, wrote:

In article2380703.423.1332876250212.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynim7, says...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:06:05 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:24:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/27/12 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:38:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Zimmerman has an interesting police record. He's exactly the sort of
person who should not have been allowed to purchase a firearm, much less
a carry permit.

His "record" is arguing with a cop in a bar who was arresting his
friend and that charge was dropped.

I guess Skip Gates is a criminal too in your eyes.



There's a bit more than that, but arguing with a cop in a bar over an
arrest is "interesting." It tells me Zimmerman is an out of control
hothead.

There was also a domestic dispute wherein his ex filed for a restraint
order. Evidently, Zimmerman liked to intimidate people.

Or, he was a nicew guy that was trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a bar, and he had a bitch for an ex.

I can not believe the people on the right spinning this into a guy who
is completely out of line shoots and kills an innocent kid and he's your
hero.

More Kevinesque bull****.

Cite? Show one statement implying Zimmerman is a hero.

He can't, he just made it up...

YOU make up just about everything you say. In the above, some one the
right said "he was a nice guy trying to help a buddy out of a jam in a
bar", when addressing charges brought against him for that. Then the
poster goes on to say "he had a bitch for an ex" as a rebuttal to
charges of domestic abuse. THAT IS "implying".

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:36:08 -0400, BAR wrote:

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

No evidence yet.


Zimmerman is the defendant

Zimmerman was the instigator of the entire event.

The state has to prove it is not true.

The state doesn't have to prove anything until he is indicted.

We know from the girlfriends phone transcript, Martin approached
Zimmerman

You don't know what Martin's intentions were, maybe they were to
ascertain why Zimmerman was pursuing Martin.

Fat guys with BMIs of over 36 do not "pursue", certainly not fast
enough to catch a 17 year old football star who wants to get away.

Fat guy's with BMIs of over 36 pursue if they have a hero complex, which
Zimmerman appears to have had based upon his near constant contact with
the PD.

BAR, I applaud you as a right winger who can see through the bull****
the right is trying to sling because FOX is telling them to!