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jps

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:03:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:52:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:

The state that elected a crook for governor sets a new standard for
stupidity *and* hypocrisy.

Matthew Dowd, President George W. Bush’s former chief strategist, on
Sunday observed that the same conservative legislatures and governors
who are championing so-called Christian values like prayer in schools
are also pushing for dangerous gun laws that are counter to Christian
teachings.

During a panel on ABC, “Nightline” anchor Terry Moran noted that
Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law gave officials cover to not arrest
neighborhood watch vigilante George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy.

“No other state has a law like this,” Moran explained. “Not only is it
a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law — in the olden days under common law you had
a duty to retreat. ‘Stand Your Ground’ says, no, you don’t have to.
Florida goes one step farther. ‘Stand Your Ground’ is self defense —
defense at trial. It would go to trial where the jury would figure out
what happened.”

“In Florida, the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after
killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested,” he added.
“It’s why prosecutors and police hated this law. It sabotaged our
justice system. All this discussion we’ve heard — What did Zimmerman
do? What did Trayvon do? — Juries are supposed to figure that out. The
Florida law destroys that American system.”

“There is such irony about this,” Dowd agreed. “Most of the states
that have passed this including Florida and the ‘Stand Your Ground’
laws and the expanded gun-ownership laws where you can carry a
concealed weapon are also the same states and the same legislatures
and the same governors who sort of pushed for prayer in the school.”

Dowd continued: “To me, there is such and irony here, that we want to
be a Christian nation and we want to act in a Christian manner, but
oh, by the way, we don’t believe in the turn your other cheek and we
don’t believe in love your enemy. We believe in loading citizens and
basically giving them an opportunity to shoot people.”

First of all, it is no surprise that you are all over this and that
you are twisting the facts and mis-stating reality to fit your
anti-gun mania.

Second, I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a
claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even
be arrested"

Third, I'd like for you to explain how " Juries are supposed to figure
that out," before or during the fact. Maybe you think the way this
should be handled is to let the criminal kill somebody and their
family and then let the lawyers fight it out in court. Personally,
I'll use my gun and then take my chances at being judged by 12 rather
than carried by 6. You can chose the opposite, if you wish.

Finally, If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show
how the "Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in
that case.

I haven't twisted anything. The above recounting was a transcript of
an interchange on a news program that featured GW Bush's former cheif
strategist, who rightfully called out these bogus christians for
promoting laws that protect people using guns to kill others.

That was the only point.

Feel free to lose your mind and connect whatever point you think I'm
making to your fantasy scenarios but I won't be wasting my time
arguing with your lame attempt at debate.

You carefully avoided answering any of my questions regarding direct
statements YOU made, not some pal of the inbred Bush family. I'll
restate for your convenience:

I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a claim of
self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even be
arrested"

If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show how the
"Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in that
case.

You should go speak with the police in Florida who wouldn't bring
charges against someone who ended up killing a young man after
pursuing him without reason or merit.

They're the ones who assumed Zimmerman didn't need to be more
thoroughly investigated. Their interpretation, not mine.

And the quote you cite wasn't mine. You need to take a reading
comprehension course.