New one on me - Laminate Flooring
 

Sorry about that Greg. I did notice the humor, its just that the jokes
are getting pretty stale around here.

Bob

In article , "Greg O"
wrote:

"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Ahhh yes, yet another Mensa candidate dribbles out his words of wit and
wisdom using his intellectual superpowers in spotting the word "Bayliner".



Geez, Bob, lighten up before you have a heart attack! Didn't you notice the
wink, perhaps indicating a bit of humor??
Greg

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what
follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the
spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^)


I have yet to see anyone offer any significant
empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a
given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name,
when factoring in things like initial cost, and care.

Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar
sized designed for ocean use.

Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence
that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What
about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all
the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that
cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as
inferior?

Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles
offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean
use."?

First of specifically what two boats are you comparing? Second, What does
it mean? Will someone going 30 miles off shore on a Bayliner perish? Will
someone going 30 miles off shore in a Bayliner automatically come back and
renounce the Bayliner name and pledge their allegiance to Parker boats
forever?

I honestly don't know what you mean, because, standing by itself without
context, you've presented a senseless statement with ABSOLUTELY NO
MEANING. It's like debating with a ****ed off ten year old:

"Oh yeah? I'll show you! You just try to take that Bayliner thirty miles
off shore. Go on, I dare you!"

Without knowing what consequnces you are inferring, perhaps I should just
count my blessings when I went 300 miles on my Bayliner accross Lake Erie,
accross Lake St. Clair and into Lake Huron, where I was more than thiry
miles off shore on quite a few occasions. I'm not a gambling man, but
I'd bet other Bayliner owners could make better claims.

This ambiguous statement not only reeks of arrogance, but suggests you are
a prejudiced person. I used the term prejudice in referring to your
closed minded
disdain for Bayliners above all other boats. It doesn't matter what the
facts are or how many thousands of people enjoy their Bayliners. It
doesn't matter if Bayliners have repeatedly go thirty miles off shore for
a decade. To you, Bayliners suck, Bayliners will always suck, and despite
any proof to the contrary you will tell people bayliners suck, not as your
unfounded opinion, but as a matter of fact. My guess is you do this
because your foolish pride will never allow you to admit otherwise.
Prejudice and closed mindedness behaviours are usually well gounded in
one's insecurity, I pitty that flaw in a person.

And for the record, I don't really care if you or others think Bayliners,
Chris-Crafts or any other boat sucks as long as you:

A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion
B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of evidence


You repeatedly do neither, and that offends me, Sir. You and others who
repeatedly and haphazzardly bash bayliners, any other boat, or person,
without good reason, and without one iota of constructive advice, are in
my humble opinion, are acting in rude and irresponsible manner.

Obviously it's rude because telling any captain their boat sucks
encroaches on a personal attack. No matter what walk of life we come
from, or what type of vessels we own, the majority of boaters take some
pride in the vessel they own. We refer to vessels as "she" as they are
close in our hearts. Just like we take pride in our houses. My hats goes
off to you, Harry, or anyone else, that can honestly say you would not be
offended if someone said "Your boat sucks" or someone walked into your
house and said "Geez what a dump". Quite frankly, I wonder if you or
others who act the same way would display this same rudeness you've shown
in this group in person. If we met face to face would you have the guts
to tell me my boat sucks in the same "matter of fact" fashion? If so, my
hat goes off to you again, for remaining steadfast in your personal,
albeit prejudiced, convictions. If not, I pitty you.

This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad.

Bob Dimond

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.




"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what
follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the
spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^)


I have yet to see anyone offer any significant
empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat
of a
given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name,
when factoring in things like initial cost, and care.

Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar
sized designed for ocean use.

Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence
that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What
about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all
the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that
cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as
inferior?

Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles
offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean
use."?

First of specifically what two boats are you comparing? Second, What does
it mean? Will someone going 30 miles off shore on a Bayliner perish? Will
someone going 30 miles off shore in a Bayliner automatically come back and
renounce the Bayliner name and pledge their allegiance to Parker boats
forever?

I honestly don't know what you mean, because, standing by itself without
context, you've presented a senseless statement with ABSOLUTELY NO
MEANING. It's like debating with a ****ed off ten year old:

"Oh yeah? I'll show you! You just try to take that Bayliner thirty miles
off shore. Go on, I dare you!"

Without knowing what consequnces you are inferring, perhaps I should just
count my blessings when I went 300 miles on my Bayliner accross Lake Erie,
accross Lake St. Clair and into Lake Huron, where I was more than thiry
miles off shore on quite a few occasions. I'm not a gambling man, but
I'd bet other Bayliner owners could make better claims.

This ambiguous statement not only reeks of arrogance, but suggests you are
a prejudiced person. I used the term prejudice in referring to your
closed minded
disdain for Bayliners above all other boats. It doesn't matter what the
facts are or how many thousands of people enjoy their Bayliners. It
doesn't matter if Bayliners have repeatedly go thirty miles off shore for
a decade. To you, Bayliners suck, Bayliners will always suck, and despite
any proof to the contrary you will tell people bayliners suck, not as your
unfounded opinion, but as a matter of fact. My guess is you do this
because your foolish pride will never allow you to admit otherwise.
Prejudice and closed mindedness behaviours are usually well gounded in
one's insecurity, I pitty that flaw in a person.

And for the record, I don't really care if you or others think Bayliners,
Chris-Crafts or any other boat sucks as long as you:

A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion
B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of
evidence


You repeatedly do neither, and that offends me, Sir. You and others who
repeatedly and haphazzardly bash bayliners, any other boat, or person,
without good reason, and without one iota of constructive advice, are in
my humble opinion, are acting in rude and irresponsible manner.

Obviously it's rude because telling any captain their boat sucks
encroaches on a personal attack. No matter what walk of life we come
from, or what type of vessels we own, the majority of boaters take some
pride in the vessel they own. We refer to vessels as "she" as they are
close in our hearts. Just like we take pride in our houses. My hats goes
off to you, Harry, or anyone else, that can honestly say you would not be
offended if someone said "Your boat sucks" or someone walked into your
house and said "Geez what a dump". Quite frankly, I wonder if you or
others who act the same way would display this same rudeness you've shown
in this group in person. If we met face to face would you have the guts
to tell me my boat sucks in the same "matter of fact" fashion? If so, my
hat goes off to you again, for remaining steadfast in your personal,
albeit prejudiced, convictions. If not, I pitty you.

This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad.

Bob Dimond

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

Hey Bill,

Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group
who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated:

" This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad."

Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if
these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats
so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face
value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance?

A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass
comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass
comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean
spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor
for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of
boating felt this way as well.

Take Care,

Bob Dimond




In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole"
wrote:

It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

No one takes Harry, jps, or basskisser seriously. Gould who is
knowledgeable on boats has come to Bayliners defense many times, his words
are of more value than all of the silly bashing that goes on. I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


"Bob D." wrote in message
...
Hey Bill,

Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group
who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated:

" This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a
small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or
person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who
MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner
owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because
they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been
examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for
advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped
down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by
people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this
manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become
boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they
passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs.

It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this
group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart
from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the
people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a
small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a
****ing contest. Too bad."

Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if
these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats
so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face
value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance?

A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass
comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass
comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean
spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor
for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of
boating felt this way as well.

Take Care,

Bob Dimond




In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole"
wrote:

It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should
not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who
live their life in rec.boats.

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

There are others who feel the same as you, rest assured.

Agreed.

Those guys are in every pub I've ever been in. We call them "yeah buts"
because no matter what you say they start their next sentence with, "yeah
but". Experts on everything. They usually hang out in their own amazingly
dysfunctional group -- and you see the exact same odd behaviour here. You
would think that these guys would avoid each other but they're actually
attracted, I can't explain it but it repeats itself every day in the pub and
on the newsgroups.

As an aside, once (in the pub) they were arguing about breast milk ... I
**** you not. It got so heated one of them stormed out ... I thought I was
going to split a gut laughing.

If their cronies aren't around you can get cornered but luckily they're so
busy listening to themselves talk it's usually easy to get away from them.
They seem to try to address as many people as possible so when their head is
turned talking to someone else you just move away and look busy.

For those times when you are truly cornered, well let's see, I've had
friends phone me on my cell with a concocted story to extract me, I once had
friends have a glass of water and two Tylenol delivered to my table (that
one was difficult to explain to the yeah but).

I've been not alone and cornered too and we'll look at each other and
quietly ask, "did you order more swizzlesticks?". It sounds like we're
discussing bar business but the swizzlesticks are an inside joke for what we
would like to have handy to stab our eardrums with.

So when I see a post from one of these guys I just think "breast milk" and a
tap on the delete button makes them go away.

New one on me - Laminate Flooring
 

Interesting, I'm glad you piped up on that.

"Karl Denninger" wrote in message
...
Not all of it.

Some is installed floating over a vapor barrier, and is rated for kitchens
and bathrooms.

If the right kind of this stuff was used, it'll be wonderful. I put it in
my Hatt's galley (ripping out the crap linoleum that was original - now
THAT
was work as that WAS glued down!) and its done great - and we usually DIVE
the boat, so it gets LOTS of water tracked through it.

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New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...

I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill?

Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under
another of your other right-wing monikers?

You're a freakin' gas bag.

New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
 

Yeah, so what is your point? If you don't like my bs, don't post your bs.
Have you noticed, I don't post right or left wing crap, I only point out the
fallacy in yours posts because you are so easy. You assume I am right wing.
Your assumption is wrong.

You are too dumb to know how to be effective in working towards a change.


"jps" wrote in message
...
"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...

I hate to say
this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to
do
so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago.


Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill?

Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under
another of your other right-wing monikers?

You're a freakin' gas bag.

New one on me - Laminate Flooring
 

Bob D. wrote:
Oh? Have you? I thought as much.


In article , Harry Krause
wrote:

Bob D. wrote:

I have yet to see anyone offer any significant
empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a
given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name,
when factoring in things like initial cost, and care.

Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar
sized designed for ocean use.



I've been "offshore" in a few Bayliner Trophies. Never again. I also
went a mile offshore in the Atlantic out a fairly rough inlet in a
Bayliner 55' motor yacht. What a piece of crap that was...it couldn't
keep up with boats 20' shorter.

In which ocean do you boat, Bob?



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