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Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just
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Black-n-Gold wrote:
Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. The boat or the flooring? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. I have it in my dining room at home. It's quite durable, but any standing liquid is supposed to be wiped up right away. Makes me wonder how practical it would be in a boat. I guess that would depend if the boat is likely to have people in wet swimsuits standing on it and dripping water on it. I assume it is installed in an enclosed cabin or salon of some sort? If so, it might work out OK. |
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Laminate flooring will work great until they go inside and change their wet
suits for dry cloths leaving them on the floor. LOL Jack "RG" wrote in message news:Sipeb.8954$Rd4.2753@fed1read07... "Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. I have it in my dining room at home. It's quite durable, but any standing liquid is supposed to be wiped up right away. Makes me wonder how practical it would be in a boat. I guess that would depend if the boat is likely to have people in wet swimsuits standing on it and dripping water on it. I assume it is installed in an enclosed cabin or salon of some sort? If so, it might work out OK. |
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"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message news:_Nreb.8976$Rd4.1917@fed1read07... Laminate flooring will work great until they go inside and change their wet suits for dry cloths leaving them on the floor. LOL That's sort of what I was driving at. But, if the boat is used in the northern climes where nobody ever gets in the water, maybe it would work out OK. |
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"Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. It's a Bayliner! It will never leave the driveway! ;-) Greg |
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Sounds like a cheap fix to me. One mistake and there goes the floor. That
stuff swells like MDF if I remember correctly. Not to bash Bayliners but laminte flooring is inferior to even their factory specs, and that takes some consideration. "Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. |
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Yeah, weird. Wonder if he was covering up something with the new floor?
I have seen some laminate flooring that is supposed to be okay to be used in bathrooms and basements. I wonder though, I mean carpet is easy to rip out and replace and it's relatively cheap. Flooring like that is glued down isn't it? It would be a nightmare to remove I would think. But it might hold up fine. The carpet in our cabin is original from 1989 and except for a couple of stains it seems perfectly fine. "Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. |
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The installation instructions for the flooring probably says to glue the
planks together to prevent any water damage, even if you're using the new snap-lock type. One would assume that in a boat this would be done. I have spilled a lot of water in my kitchen with no problems on the laminate flooring. I did leave a bit of water on my den floor for a couple of minutes, and there is some swelling along the seam, since it wasn't glued in that room. |
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Ahhh yes, yet another Mensa candidate dribbles out his words of wit and
wisdom using his intellectual superpowers in spotting the word "Bayliner". Seriously, I second what someone else said about using that laminate to cover up a bigger problem. I also question the durability of this material's application in a marine environment. It might be advisable to look elsewhere. Another word of advice... Don't be a narrow minded twit like Alfalfa, Spank Me, and the rest of the OGHMBHC (Our Gang He Man Bayliner Haters Club). Use an open mind and common sense when looking at a boat, instead of letting a brand name determine what used boat to buy. Don't overlook a properly cared for Bayliner just because its a Bayliner. Conversely, don't expect a Sea Ray or Wellcraft to be a better value on name alone. Let the boat's condition speak for itself. If two boats of different brand names are similar in condition, specifications, and price, then IMHO its a judgement call, as I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. I have no doubt that you will find some Bayliners that are indeed a POS, but that can easily be said for any boat that was neglected by its previous owner. Good Luck in your search! Bob Dimond In article , "Greg O" wrote: "Black-n-Gold" wrote in message ... Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. It's a Bayliner! It will never leave the driveway! ;-) Greg |
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"Bob D." wrote in message
... I have no doubt that you will find some Bayliners that are indeed a POS, but that can easily be said for any boat that was neglected by its previous owner. But if it starts out as a Bayliner, improvements are equal to turd polishing. Have a hard look at the materials and contruction of Bayliner boats and you'll notice they're just like churned out Chevys. That may be fine for the road, not my choice for water. |
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In article , "jps" wrote:
"Bob D." wrote in message ... I have no doubt that you will find some Bayliners that are indeed a POS, but that can easily be said for any boat that was neglected by its previous owner. But if it starts out as a Bayliner, improvements are equal to turd polishing. Hmmmm... My fearless foe's vast wit puzzles me. I better run that witty reparte through my patented OGHMBHC (Our Gang He Man Bayliner Haters Club) Translator: "Bayliner Baaaad, My boat Gooood" Ahhh yes, now I understand. Have a hard look at the materials and contruction of Bayliner boats and you'll notice they're just like churned out Chevys. That may be fine for the road, not my choice for water. Taking a "hard look" at a finished boat does not necessarily mean squat to me. I for one do not pretend to be a materials engineer, structural engineer, marine engineer, or even a certified marine mechanic. I cannot infer that something on the whole is a POS just because something doesn't look right in the fit and finish category. Or perhaps I misunderstood you. Was your "hard look" taken at the Brunswick Corp plant where Bayliners are produced? If so, I'm curious did you visit a competitors plant for comparison? At the very least, can you be more specific? Well I can see its time for OGHMBHC translator again: "Bayliner Baaaad, My boat Gooood" Ahhh yes, now I understand. The fact that you view Bayliners as the Chevrolet of boats is about the only remark to your argument that has any bite. Bayliner, and its parent corp Brunswick, are probably the largest manufacturer of powerboats in the world. This might equate to Chevy and its parent corp GM in the Automotive industry. In addition, I respect your opinion on not wanting to chose the Chevy of boats, just as many people would choose a Cadillac over a Chevrolet. But, using your chevy analogy, inferring that a Chevy Cavalier is a POS but a Cadillac Cimmaron is not would mark the zenith of stupidity. I'm not trying to start an argument, in fact, I think I should concede that of the boats I've looked at sometimes, the Bayliners fit and finish is not always measure up to a comparable boat. But it seems to me that the price difference between these comparable boats often more than makes up for what the Bayliner lacks in fit and finish or extras. It might be just me but for a $8000 - $10000 difference in the price of a 28 foot boat of comparable specifications, I would think that one could easily take care of the fit and finish or other small problems, and have money to spare, so how does that qualify the Bayliner brand to be a POS? So for Harry, NYOB, Greg O, and all the people in this group who insist on dismissing Bayliner as anyone choice of boat I humbly ask: How did Bayliner specifically deserve this reputation, was it earned from personal experience? Since its only Bayliner that seems to be singled out, does that mean all other boat manufactures are okay? What about Sea Rays? Oh and when answering these questions, how about giving me some empirical data instead of a narrow-minded smart ass remark, okay? Unfortunately I don't have some people's super human power of arrogance. So I cannot say that bayliner is better or worse than any other boat, because quite frankly, I DON'T KNOW. All I have are my meager experiences aboard several Bayliners. One Bayliner (Ciera) belongs to a friend who bought the boat new in 1986 and we traveled on average 50 miles each weeked for a period of five years and then 30 miles each weekend for the last 12 years. Those trips were made on Lake Erie in all types of weather from dead calm to 8-10 foot seas (that only happened once, thank god). My first powerboat was a 16 ft Bayliner Cuddy. I probably put more miles on that boat in one Ohio season than most people put on a boat in Florida all year. We survived 6-8 foot seas in that boat. It wasn't plesant, but the boat made it and I never felt endangered. My last bayliner rode through rough seas better than the larger boat I use today. All in all I've had pretty good experiences with bayliner boats. Were my experience perfect with Bayliners? Hell No. Would I ever overlook them because of my experiences? Hell no. In contrast, I've known people who bought the "better" boats and still had problems. Case in point I had a girlfirend who bought a brand new 2000 Four Winns 27 footer. Besides having a layout that was unsuitable for cruising (a matter of taste). There was no way to keep the cushions on the convertable Vee berth. The stereo radios would not work, when the shorepower was plugged in, due to interferrance. Both the dealer and manufacturer told them there was nothing they could do. When I first looked at her boat I pointed out the the flush mount using a gasket without a lip was a point of failure. Sure enough, within its first season that gasket faileed and water was leaking in the cabin. Friends of my father have a 45 foot Californian, thay bought for $400,000. The boat has a beautiful wet bar on the back deck, complete with a refidgerator. They don't use the fridge, why? Because the refer door faces AFT!!! Obviously I've droned on long enough so I better use the patented BDITLW (Bob Dimond is too Long Winded) Translator: "All boats baaaaaad, all boats gooood" Whether it's a multimillion dollar Parker 25 Wunderbot, a 16 foot Bayliner or anything in between. My experiece forms my opinion that accross the board the Marine industry fails to deliver the quality and value that a consumer should expect for their money. That means in some way they're all pieces of ****. To actually single one brand out is arrogance. To single it out without personal experience or statistics is IMHO pure stupidity. Bob Dimond |
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Wow, this is one tough crowd. There is quite a resentment of Bayliners
here. Glad I don't own one. Reminds me of the audiophile areas I frequent. Ever hear of Bose speakers? They are to audio what Bayliner is to boats. No highs- no lows-- must be Bose. Black-n-Gold wrote: Saw a boat for sale last night - a 1977 Bayliner - that the owner had just installed laminate flooring on. Looks very cool, however I don't know how practical it is. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Bob D. wrote:
I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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scottht wrote:
Wow, this is one tough crowd. There is quite a resentment of Bayliners here. Glad I don't own one. Reminds me of the audiophile areas I frequent. Ever hear of Bose speakers? They are to audio what Bayliner is to boats. No highs- no lows-- must be Bose. I've never understood the clamor for Bose speakers. To me, they sound like...small speakers. When it comes to reproducing sound accurately, I don't believe you can fool the laws of physics. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Bob D." wrote in message
... In article , "jps" wrote: You should consider hooking up with Karen. You two could have incredibly long-winded discussions on the merits of boat building. My *opinion* is based on having observed Bayliner workmanship and materials on many of their boats. Like any manufacturer of a production vessel, decisions are made based on meeting the expectations of the customers. In order to make a competitively priced product, the product must be manufactured efficiently and sometimes with inferior materials. For the manufacturer, that's the beauty of a production boat, economies of scale have an effect on the company's bottom line and they can capture a significant market share because of the marketability (price) of the vessel. They have their market niche and many people enjoy their products. That's why they changed the name of their larger vessels. They do not have a good reputation in the higher dollar market because people expect fit and finish and good materials. The Bayliner Chevy is not the kind of craftsmanship I admire nor the kind of product I'm eager to own. And, I'm not playing the "my boat's better than yours" game because there are plenty of boats built better than the one I own. So there! |
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Wow, I think you and I could get along well.
Harry Krause wrote: scottht wrote: Wow, this is one tough crowd. There is quite a resentment of Bayliners here. Glad I don't own one. Reminds me of the audiophile areas I frequent. Ever hear of Bose speakers? They are to audio what Bayliner is to boats. No highs- no lows-- must be Bose. I've never understood the clamor for Bose speakers. To me, they sound like...small speakers. When it comes to reproducing sound accurately, I don't believe you can fool the laws of physics. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar
sized designed for ocean use. And you'll discover that the boat "designed for ocean use" is probably superior to *any* boat designed primarily for inland waters or freshwater lakes. |
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"Bob D." wrote in message ... Ahhh yes, yet another Mensa candidate dribbles out his words of wit and wisdom using his intellectual superpowers in spotting the word "Bayliner". Geez, Bob, lighten up before you have a heart attack! Didn't you notice the wink, perhaps indicating a bit of humor?? Greg |
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Oh? Have you? I thought as much.
In article , Harry Krause wrote: Bob D. wrote: I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Sorry about that Greg. I did notice the humor, its just that the jokes
are getting pretty stale around here. Bob In article , "Greg O" wrote: "Bob D." wrote in message ... Ahhh yes, yet another Mensa candidate dribbles out his words of wit and wisdom using his intellectual superpowers in spotting the word "Bayliner". Geez, Bob, lighten up before you have a heart attack! Didn't you notice the wink, perhaps indicating a bit of humor?? Greg |
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Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what
follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^) I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as inferior? Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use."? First of specifically what two boats are you comparing? Second, What does it mean? Will someone going 30 miles off shore on a Bayliner perish? Will someone going 30 miles off shore in a Bayliner automatically come back and renounce the Bayliner name and pledge their allegiance to Parker boats forever? I honestly don't know what you mean, because, standing by itself without context, you've presented a senseless statement with ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING. It's like debating with a ****ed off ten year old: "Oh yeah? I'll show you! You just try to take that Bayliner thirty miles off shore. Go on, I dare you!" Without knowing what consequnces you are inferring, perhaps I should just count my blessings when I went 300 miles on my Bayliner accross Lake Erie, accross Lake St. Clair and into Lake Huron, where I was more than thiry miles off shore on quite a few occasions. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet other Bayliner owners could make better claims. This ambiguous statement not only reeks of arrogance, but suggests you are a prejudiced person. I used the term prejudice in referring to your closed minded disdain for Bayliners above all other boats. It doesn't matter what the facts are or how many thousands of people enjoy their Bayliners. It doesn't matter if Bayliners have repeatedly go thirty miles off shore for a decade. To you, Bayliners suck, Bayliners will always suck, and despite any proof to the contrary you will tell people bayliners suck, not as your unfounded opinion, but as a matter of fact. My guess is you do this because your foolish pride will never allow you to admit otherwise. Prejudice and closed mindedness behaviours are usually well gounded in one's insecurity, I pitty that flaw in a person. And for the record, I don't really care if you or others think Bayliners, Chris-Crafts or any other boat sucks as long as you: A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of evidence You repeatedly do neither, and that offends me, Sir. You and others who repeatedly and haphazzardly bash bayliners, any other boat, or person, without good reason, and without one iota of constructive advice, are in my humble opinion, are acting in rude and irresponsible manner. Obviously it's rude because telling any captain their boat sucks encroaches on a personal attack. No matter what walk of life we come from, or what type of vessels we own, the majority of boaters take some pride in the vessel they own. We refer to vessels as "she" as they are close in our hearts. Just like we take pride in our houses. My hats goes off to you, Harry, or anyone else, that can honestly say you would not be offended if someone said "Your boat sucks" or someone walked into your house and said "Geez what a dump". Quite frankly, I wonder if you or others who act the same way would display this same rudeness you've shown in this group in person. If we met face to face would you have the guts to tell me my boat sucks in the same "matter of fact" fashion? If so, my hat goes off to you again, for remaining steadfast in your personal, albeit prejudiced, convictions. If not, I pitty you. This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs. It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a ****ing contest. Too bad. Bob Dimond |
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It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not
drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who live their life in rec.boats. "Bob D." wrote in message ... Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^) I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as inferior? Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use."? First of specifically what two boats are you comparing? Second, What does it mean? Will someone going 30 miles off shore on a Bayliner perish? Will someone going 30 miles off shore in a Bayliner automatically come back and renounce the Bayliner name and pledge their allegiance to Parker boats forever? I honestly don't know what you mean, because, standing by itself without context, you've presented a senseless statement with ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING. It's like debating with a ****ed off ten year old: "Oh yeah? I'll show you! You just try to take that Bayliner thirty miles off shore. Go on, I dare you!" Without knowing what consequnces you are inferring, perhaps I should just count my blessings when I went 300 miles on my Bayliner accross Lake Erie, accross Lake St. Clair and into Lake Huron, where I was more than thiry miles off shore on quite a few occasions. I'm not a gambling man, but I'd bet other Bayliner owners could make better claims. This ambiguous statement not only reeks of arrogance, but suggests you are a prejudiced person. I used the term prejudice in referring to your closed minded disdain for Bayliners above all other boats. It doesn't matter what the facts are or how many thousands of people enjoy their Bayliners. It doesn't matter if Bayliners have repeatedly go thirty miles off shore for a decade. To you, Bayliners suck, Bayliners will always suck, and despite any proof to the contrary you will tell people bayliners suck, not as your unfounded opinion, but as a matter of fact. My guess is you do this because your foolish pride will never allow you to admit otherwise. Prejudice and closed mindedness behaviours are usually well gounded in one's insecurity, I pitty that flaw in a person. And for the record, I don't really care if you or others think Bayliners, Chris-Crafts or any other boat sucks as long as you: A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of evidence You repeatedly do neither, and that offends me, Sir. You and others who repeatedly and haphazzardly bash bayliners, any other boat, or person, without good reason, and without one iota of constructive advice, are in my humble opinion, are acting in rude and irresponsible manner. Obviously it's rude because telling any captain their boat sucks encroaches on a personal attack. No matter what walk of life we come from, or what type of vessels we own, the majority of boaters take some pride in the vessel they own. We refer to vessels as "she" as they are close in our hearts. Just like we take pride in our houses. My hats goes off to you, Harry, or anyone else, that can honestly say you would not be offended if someone said "Your boat sucks" or someone walked into your house and said "Geez what a dump". Quite frankly, I wonder if you or others who act the same way would display this same rudeness you've shown in this group in person. If we met face to face would you have the guts to tell me my boat sucks in the same "matter of fact" fashion? If so, my hat goes off to you again, for remaining steadfast in your personal, albeit prejudiced, convictions. If not, I pitty you. This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs. It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a ****ing contest. Too bad. Bob Dimond |
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Hey Bill,
Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated: " This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs. It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a ****ing contest. Too bad." Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance? A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of boating felt this way as well. Take Care, Bob Dimond In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole" wrote: It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who live their life in rec.boats. |
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No one takes Harry, jps, or basskisser seriously. Gould who is
knowledgeable on boats has come to Bayliners defense many times, his words are of more value than all of the silly bashing that goes on. I hate to say this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago. "Bob D." wrote in message ... Hey Bill, Your right, Bill, of course. But what about the lurkers in this group who *MAY* take these clowns at face value? As I've stated: " This type of bashing is irresponsible because the people posting are a small percentage of the people reading this group. Bashing ANY boat or person without qualifying your remarks, has consequences to the people who MAY take these comments at face value. There may be other Bayliner owners out there who are now unwilling to post a serious question because they do not wish to be ridiculed by a group of assholes. There have been examples be new boaters out there who post to this group looking for advice while sharing their first time boating experiences who get slapped down like a fly on a picnic table without any constructive advice, by people basking in their anonmynity (sp?) who wouldn't dare act in this manner in person. There may have been people who still have not become boaters because that affordable Bayliner was so badly renounced that they passed it up without looking to see if it would suit their needs. It is really sad, because as arrogant as Harry and many members of this group are, I feel they still may have very valuable information to impart from their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately it may not reach the people who need it because they are too intimidated. Intimated because a small group of people decided too make rec.boats first and foremost a ****ing contest. Too bad." Even if no one takes these clows seriously, my personalfeelings are if these jerks are allowed to run amok, and unchallenged to make rec.boats so full of **** that others can't take any comments of this group at face value, then what is the point of rec.boats existance? A few smart-ass comments about a brand of boat, fine. A few smart-ass comments someone's stupid actions, fine. But when its only the smart ass comments, never coupled with any helpful advice, then it just mean spirited. I personally don't believe rec.boats should be the safe harbor for this mean spirited behavior. I wish other who share my love of boating felt this way as well. Take Care, Bob Dimond In article a8Zeb.480968$Oz4.319400@rwcrnsc54, "Bill Cole" wrote: It makes as much sense as saying "If you can't afford a BMW you should not drive". It isn't worth your time getting upset about a few old men who live their life in rec.boats. |
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There are others who feel the same as you, rest assured.
Agreed. Those guys are in every pub I've ever been in. We call them "yeah buts" because no matter what you say they start their next sentence with, "yeah but". Experts on everything. They usually hang out in their own amazingly dysfunctional group -- and you see the exact same odd behaviour here. You would think that these guys would avoid each other but they're actually attracted, I can't explain it but it repeats itself every day in the pub and on the newsgroups. As an aside, once (in the pub) they were arguing about breast milk ... I **** you not. It got so heated one of them stormed out ... I thought I was going to split a gut laughing. If their cronies aren't around you can get cornered but luckily they're so busy listening to themselves talk it's usually easy to get away from them. They seem to try to address as many people as possible so when their head is turned talking to someone else you just move away and look busy. For those times when you are truly cornered, well let's see, I've had friends phone me on my cell with a concocted story to extract me, I once had friends have a glass of water and two Tylenol delivered to my table (that one was difficult to explain to the yeah but). I've been not alone and cornered too and we'll look at each other and quietly ask, "did you order more swizzlesticks?". It sounds like we're discussing bar business but the swizzlesticks are an inside joke for what we would like to have handy to stab our eardrums with. So when I see a post from one of these guys I just think "breast milk" and a tap on the delete button makes them go away. |
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Interesting, I'm glad you piped up on that.
"Karl Denninger" wrote in message ... Not all of it. Some is installed floating over a vapor barrier, and is rated for kitchens and bathrooms. If the right kind of this stuff was used, it'll be wonderful. I put it in my Hatt's galley (ripping out the crap linoleum that was original - now THAT was work as that WAS glued down!) and its done great - and we usually DIVE the boat, so it gets LOTS of water tracked through it. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net Tired of spam at your company? LOOK HERE! http://childrens-justice.org Working for family and children's rights http://diversunion.org LOG IN AND GET YOUR TANK STICKERS TODAY! |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01... I hate to say this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago. Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill? Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under another of your other right-wing monikers? You're a freakin' gas bag. |
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Yeah, so what is your point? If you don't like my bs, don't post your bs.
Have you noticed, I don't post right or left wing crap, I only point out the fallacy in yours posts because you are so easy. You assume I am right wing. Your assumption is wrong. You are too dumb to know how to be effective in working towards a change. "jps" wrote in message ... "Bill Cole" wrote in message news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01... I hate to say this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago. Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill? Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under another of your other right-wing monikers? You're a freakin' gas bag. |
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Bob D. wrote:
Oh? Have you? I thought as much. In article , Harry Krause wrote: Bob D. wrote: I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. I've been "offshore" in a few Bayliner Trophies. Never again. I also went a mile offshore in the Atlantic out a fairly rough inlet in a Bayliner 55' motor yacht. What a piece of crap that was...it couldn't keep up with boats 20' shorter. In which ocean do you boat, Bob? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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Bob D. wrote:
Alright Alright already so I'm long winded. Sorry. Hopefully what follows it's an intersting read with SOME value. Also, ignore the spelling, I'm in a hurry and typing with my toes today :^) I have yet to see anyone offer any significant empirical data, even significant anectdotal evidence, that any boat of a given brand name is clearly superior or inferior to another brand name, when factoring in things like initial cost, and care. Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use. Alright Harry, I'll bite. So according to your statement the evidence that Bayliners are inferior is cannot travel thiry miles off shore? What about a Wellcraft? How about an old favorite of mine, a Jersey? Of all the boats made, you seem to infer that Bayliner are the only ones that cannot travel off shore so they are the only ones you'll label as inferior? I seem to infer? I inferred no such thing. There are lots of crappy boats. Also can you be more specific in your statement "Oh? Try going 30 miles offshore in a Bayliner and a boat of similar sized designed for ocean use."? I'll not bother to cite more than a couple of examples. I have a friend with a 2003 Bayliner Trophy 25' walkaround. We frequently ride out together to fish, each in our own boats, and sometimes together in one boat. Last time we chatted, couple of weeks ago, he had 50 hours or so on the engine. The boat is falling apart. The windshield frame has broken off the cabin top in three places. He's had shorts in the factory-installed wiring harness. A hatch cover has broken off its hinges. He's got hairline cracks in the rounded inside corners of his hull. The boat pounds badly in the typical Chesapeake Bay chop, and when he trims the engine in enough and drops the tabs to make the chop tolerable, the boat buries her bow. The boat won't back down in a straight line. The seams on the cabin cushions are unraveling. I'm sure his list is longer by now. It's been a few more weeks. I've seen Bayliners in rough water pop the rivets that hold their hulls and decks together. I've seen Bayliners with plain, untreated plywood behind seat cushions. I've seen Bayliners where the hullsides and botton "tin can" in moderate seas. I wouldn't go out of sight of land in a Bayliner, much less 30 miles offshore. What's *your* boating experience, Bob? Mine goes back more than 50 years. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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jps wrote:
"Bill Cole" wrote in message news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01... I hate to say this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago. Why don't you point out your latest boating related post here Bill? Or, as you stated previously, do you post to boating related threads under another of your other right-wing monikers? You're a freakin' gas bag. Why do you waste a second of your day reading Cole? He's in my, you'll excuse the expression, passover list. He used to post here under another name, btw. Skipper picked on him. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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There are others who feel the same as you, rest assured.
For some of them, the typical contribution is a one-line insult. |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:29:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Skipper picked on him. =================== Skipper who? |
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Skipper is my little buddy. Harry is upset because he doesn't have my
little buddy to kick around anymore. "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:29:54 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Skipper picked on him. =================== Skipper who? |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
. net... Yeah, so what is your point? If you don't like my bs, don't post your bs. Have you noticed, I don't post right or left wing crap, I only point out the fallacy in yours posts because you are so easy. You assume I am right wing. Your assumption is wrong. You've already said you're a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. That adds up to right wing tool. You're a whitey righty. |
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(Bob D.) wrote in message ...
A. Qualify your remarks as your opinion B. If stating it as a fact, back up what you say with some shred of evidence Find me one offshore, six pack, diving or fishing charter from Key West to Fernandina Beach, FL that uses a Bayliner. Good luck, there aren't any. I guess it's the "opinion" of these charter Capt's, who are on the water everyday possible, that Bayliner is not their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ect, ect, "choice" if you look at brands of boats in use for that kind of activity. Oh, and take a look at this thread: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=107267 Hardcore offshore and inshore FL fishermen and, the last time I checked, over 170 different boats pictured. (note to self: get a pic of the boat on there to bolster the Whaler fleet) What a surprise, looks like Bayliner is "missing in action", once again. Wouldn't you've expected a better showing from such a "popular" brand of boat? So, where do I see Bayliners? Bee-bopping up and down the ICW on weekends, picnicing on sandbars/spoil islands and, looking like they are having a real good time doing so. They're all over the place. Which is exactly where and, doing exactly what, they were "designed" for. Some of us, however, are a bit more demanding. -- SJM |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message news:iu%eb.660374$YN5.506645@sccrnsc01...
No one takes Harry, jps, or basskisser seriously. Gould who is knowledgeable on boats has come to Bayliners defense many times, his words are of more value than all of the silly bashing that goes on. I hate to say this but if you want to discuss boats, rec.boats is not a good place to do so. It was taken over by the extremist a long time ago. So, let's see, Skipper Bill Cole, anybody that doesn't agree with you, can't be taken seriously, huh? Gould can here, because he sometimes defends Bayliner? You sound like some old shriveled up man. *If you don't agree with me, you are just.....wrong, sonny!* The truly ignorant are, indeed, one sided and narrow minded. |
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