In article ,
says...

On 14/05/2011 7:31 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:21:49 -0600,
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 12:55 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 13:37:31 -0400, wrote:

after the US right has had 30 years of fundamentalist deregulaory
plutocracy, they havent left obama much choice. this is america
when
the right wing wins.

you are bat**** crazy bob but you already know that


and that's about the level of response one gets when one challenges
the urban myths of the right

Urban myths of the right? Are you nuts? You make as much sense as
your fruitcake buddy Plume.

would you like me to list the asshole beliefs you and the right have?

Listing yourself and defumer? Appropriate assholes.

myths of the right

-the american dream
-american 'exceptionalism'
-capitalists will always do what's right
-unions destroy a country

etc etc

Man, with the effort you put into excuses, whining and bulls!t, with as
little as an attitude change you could become rich.

Trouble is, you have flebaggers disease. Too much excuses, whining and
wasted energy on self pity. A loser!

Fleabaggers, bunch of whiny babies...

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says...


yeah i know. your reader's digest view of history is quite comforting
to all children

Now I get it, you are a stoner.. Only a stoned stupid fan of Jon Stewart
would write a sentence like that.


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says...

On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:09:46 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:17:55 -0400, Harryk
wrote:
If there are no liberals in the democratic party, why are you a
democrat?


That's a really stupid question, Gregg. The Democratic Party is more
moderate than I like. The Republicans are in the far outer space regions
of right-wing lunacy.

... at least the ones they put on TV.
Some of that is just a TV drama.
Most of the politicians on both sides are simply too boring for TV and
not particularly radical in any way.
Do you ever watch Cspan?

C-Span is not much different than rec.boats. Democrats and Republicans saying the same thing over
and over again.

Still better than MSNBC.. I saw a "fair" panel today. It was Chris
(dribble) Matthews, David (creepy) Corn, and Rachael (the human steroid)
Maddow... I can't even imagine anybody being so stupid to even think
they could be considered a "news" channel. Oh, and when Harry comes back
with his usual deflection about Fox or whatever, remember, Harry Krause
says a lot of stuff:

for a good laugh, "The Legacy of Harry Krause":

http://tinyurl.com/69j97tn



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On 14/05/2011 11:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:40:18 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 21:32:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 17:14:09 -0400, wrote:



If you are a big business, Wall Street, insurance company, medical
conglomerate, neocon war mongering kind of republican you have to
love Obama. So far he is GW Bush with a tan. (the 5th Bush Brother)

let's see...

obama proposed a single payer system that would put the insurance
companies out of business

Yet he brags about a system that did little but bring another 40
million customers to the same insurance companies that you hate at the
point of a government gun

uh wrong

1. he gives a subsidy to low income earners to buy insurance
2. he removes the policy of excluding pre existing conditions

if he'd had his way our healthcare system would be more efficient. but
folks like you objected because it didnt make the rich richer


Uh what part of what I said was wrong. Where did those 40 million
have to go? To the same insurance companies who still really have no
limits to what they charge. All we did was put the government in the
position of having to borrow money to pay for it.
This is a "mandate", in other words the government makes you go to
those insurance companies.

Before you say it, yes they capped overhead at 20% but the worst case
estimate before the law was that they had a 17% overhead. They got a
17.6% raise.


. Exactly ZERO republicans voted for that
bill or had anything to do with writing it. It was democrats in the
senate that killed single payer.

lotsa right wing democrats

Then look inside your party. That is my point



obama proposed strong regulations on wall street

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP

Cite that.
I see this
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F07


you gotta keep up with the news if you're gonna argue facts

oh. i forgot. you're right wing you dont do facts

You seem to be the one who pulls numbers out of your ass.


and the GOP fought the regulations against wall street. in fact the
GOP fought ANY regulations.

The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate, the house and the White
House. Why didn't they do something?
Oh it was YOUR right wing democrats.


obama is getting us out of iraq

On the Bush schedule ... if he can actually pull it off. I will
believe it when I see it.

HAHAHA uh bush didnt HAVE a schedule. guess you just pulled THAT one
out of your....ahem...

Maybe you were in a cave but there was a schedule, the same one we are
currently on.

He doubled down in Afghanistan

gee. wonder why that was

now let's see...how many islamists terrorirsts in iraq?

oh. zero

Having nothing to do with the double down in Afghanistan. There were
less than 150 terrorist suspects in Afghanistan and we sent 150,000
guys in after them.

and there doesn't seem to be any end to
that war on the horizon, even though the excuse we went there is at
the bottom of the Indian Ocean right now. He wasn't even in
Afghanistan and hasn't been there for at least 5 years.

ah. no end to the war?

gee. he's said 2014 and he's making it happen.

I hope that is right but I doubt we will be out of either place by
2014 unless we elect an anti-war president.

bush never got close

and you're just not bright enough to understand why we're fighting the
taliban

you're just not very bright at all


Insults do not enhance the credibility of your argument.

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

Well, in order to have less Taliban, you have to be prepared to kill them.

Or like cockroaches they can become a bigger problem.

I do think it best to leave, but after building a monument our of
concrete. It will read.

"Live in peace, do what you want inside your borders and we will ignore
your barbarism. But take your problems to us again, this will be ground
zero."

Put it right in-front of their capital buildings. And if they ause
trouble in the future, including frug trade, nuke'em. No need to spread
American and Canadian blood for a barbaric culture.

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Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 15/05/2011 4:46 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 01:29:52 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:40:18 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 21:32:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 17:14:09 -0400, wrote:



If you are a big business, Wall Street, insurance company, medical
conglomerate, neocon war mongering kind of republican you have to
love Obama. So far he is GW Bush with a tan. (the 5th Bush Brother)

let's see...

obama proposed a single payer system that would put the insurance
companies out of business

Yet he brags about a system that did little but bring another 40
million customers to the same insurance companies that you hate at the
point of a government gun

uh wrong

1. he gives a subsidy to low income earners to buy insurance
2. he removes the policy of excluding pre existing conditions

if he'd had his way our healthcare system would be more efficient. but
folks like you objected because it didnt make the rich richer


Uh what part of what I said was wrong. Where did those 40 million
have to go? To the same insurance companies who still really have no
limits to what they charge. All we did was put the government in the
position of having to borrow money to pay for it.

we were already borrowing the money. or they were. someone was paying.
this delusion on the part of the right that healthcare is free is
another of your urban myths

This is a "mandate", in other words the government makes you go to
those insurance companies.

we already have mandates. i have no kids. but i have to pay higher
taxes than those who do. that's a mandate.

this is another urban myth of the right. you guys build your entire
ideology on myths



. Exactly ZERO republicans voted for that
bill or had anything to do with writing it. It was democrats in the
senate that killed single payer.

lotsa right wing democrats

Then look inside your party. That is my point

the fact that the right has turned america into a plutocracy where
only the rich have a voice is something that is finally dawning even
on the myth loving right wing




obama proposed strong regulations on wall street

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP

Cite that.
I see this
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F07

sorry. part of your myth making is that you dont pay attention to the
news

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/08/wall...ates_to_re.php
http://mydd.com/2010/2/24/wall-streee




you gotta keep up with the news if you're gonna argue facts

oh. i forgot. you're right wing you dont do facts

You seem to be the one who pulls numbers out of your ass.

go ahead. read the news, right winger. then whimper away to lick your
wounds

if you were an adult and had the facts at your fingertips you'd hunt
right wingers with dogs and pitchforks

the fact is the right thinks everything is OK with america because the
wealthy are getting richer and power is concentrating in the hands of
a few

progressives look at the EVIDENCE and see LACK of opportunity in a
system increasing dominated by a small class of people and want to
RESTORE american opportunity.

that's why the right hates teh middle class, unions and progressives.
WE want to RESTORE american greatness.

YOU are the agents of the status quo.



and the GOP fought the regulations against wall street. in fact the
GOP fought ANY regulations.

The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate, the house and the White
House. Why didn't they do something?
Oh it was YOUR right wing democrats.

well no they didnt. in fact the GOP racked up MORE filibusters and
threats than in any time in our nation's history.

again your belief in myth is what makes you right wing

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/02...f-filibusters/




obama is getting us out of iraq

On the Bush schedule ... if he can actually pull it off. I will
believe it when I see it.

HAHAHA uh bush didnt HAVE a schedule. guess you just pulled THAT one
out of your....ahem...

Maybe you were in a cave but there was a schedule, the same one we are
currently on..

uh no. sorry. more mythology. we will leave. obama said, when it's
PRUDENT to do so

and iraq? a TRILLION spent there by the liar bush. 4400 US troops

between bush's WARS and his SPENDING and his TAX CUTS for the RICH HE
bankrupted us, NOT the black guy

sorry, right winger. the facts destroy your belief in MYTH


He doubled down in Afghanistan

gee. wonder why that was

now let's see...how many islamists terrorirsts in iraq?

oh. zero

Having nothing to do with the double down in Afghanistan. There were
less than 150 terrorist suspects in Afghanistan and we sent 150,000
guys in after them.

HAHAHAHA this guy thinks that ONLY al qaida are terrorists!!

the FACT is the HAQQANI NETWORK of the PAKISTAN TALIBAN maintains
CLOSE relationships with the AFGHAN taliban AND with AL QAIDA

****, you dont even know who the terrorists are!

there are LOTS of taliban groups. you're just uneducated. no wonder
you're right wing!


bush never got close

and you're just not bright enough to understand why we're fighting the
taliban

you're just not very bright at all


Insults do not enhance the credibility of your argument.

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

so the right hates obama so much they believe our ENEMIES

I WAS IN NY after 9/11 with the USCG. i saw what they did. i saw what
the TALIBAN and their allies, al qaida did

mayby you right wingers, with your fundamentalist devotion to
increasing the power of the rich will ally yourselves with our enemies

but i never, never, will.

either the taliban agree NEVER to ally with al qaida and other enemies
again, or we destroy them

YOU want to appease them

tell it to czechoslovakia

Easier to stop screwing around, 10 years is far too long. Just
annihilate them like too many rats in a NY subway sewer.
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Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 14/05/2011 11:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wrote:

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP


BTW 2008 was even more of a slam dunk for the democrats. I suppose
that is why the bailout went the way it did

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpictur...Rep&Cycle=2008

Wow, great list. Shows the union corruption.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 14/05/2011 7:36 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:26:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 1:00 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:15 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:01:03 -0400, wrote:

were reagan and bush liberals? they were the biggest spenders in US
history


They certainly were not fiscal conservatives

And they weren't the biggest spenders in history. President Obams passed
them in the first year!

wrong. bush's last budget had a deficit of 1.2 TRILLION.

So was Bush signing the checks while Obama was in office?

yep. the checks had already been signed. that's what happens when you
pass a budget

you dont know anything about the US political process


but he's white...so we can't blame him

So is Obama being black an excuse or a reason?

you tell me. you're the kluxer

So is that an unemployable black panther fleabagger talk?

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 14/05/2011 7:27 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:36:02 -0600,
wrote:

On 14/05/2011 12:55 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:34:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

uh...it was OBAMA who started the depression...oh...hold on...it was
bush


yeah i can see why you think BHO is a failure

It was President Bush that told us he wanted to keep gas prices high to
feed General Electric, oh wait, that was President Obama...

actually he didnt but it's nice of you to try a brazen lie...typical
of the right

It was President Bush's advisor who said "never let a good disaster go
to waste" (in reference to the gulf coast oil spill, oh wait, that was
President Obama's aide.

ah. an aide. and what did the right say about obama?

he was being too hard on BP! they insisted he apologize to the poor,
innocent oil company


obama shakes the hand of an arab leader and they're OUTRAGED

bush MURDERS US troops and they shrug their shoulder and ask how it
benefits the rich

Hey, I don't argue Bush bowed to Saudi/Arabs.... but so does Obama,
golden handshake and Muslim bow to his Imam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38


gee. bush destroyed the economy

but the right focuse on obama's greeting habits

shows you why america's ****ed


Pick someone decent and honest, like Ron Paul. If you want real GOOD
change, better find someone that does not profess big huge ever
ineffective government tyrants.

HAHAHAHA paul honest? I used to live in the galveston area. the man's
a certifiable kluxer from way back

Hey racist black supremacist, why don't you get a job? Too many times
in jail? McJobs for you buddy, toilet duties. Suitable for your
dysfunctional attitude. A born loser.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 14/05/2011 7:29 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 14:31:31 -0600,
wrote:


Amazing how fleabaggers support statism and big fat government.

let's see...we have rick santorum, darling of the right, talking about
how we need 'collective' morality that focuses on god's morality

and the right says that's fine.

but let the middle class get uppity and the right has hysterical fits


Yet
fail to realize government benefits greatly from high fuel costs, more
taxes. Stupid sheep vote for the very thing they complain about.

yep, the right does it every time

socialize the risk. privatize the rewards

Only because you voted for it fleabagger.

You know, you should marry defumer as you have so much in common. You
could whine each other to sleep.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On 15/05/2011 11:47 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:35:46 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:07:29 -0400, wrote:


gee. there are millions of dems. liberals are 21% of the country.

right wingers? about DOUBLE that

THAT is why this country is bankrupt

The numbers are skewed because dishonest democrats are embarrassed to
call themselves, "liberals" and dead dog ideologues like yourself JPS
and Harry, think they are middle of the road.snerk

ah the 'no true scotsman' fallacy heard from.

hell i'm a liberal. i'm not ashamed of it because it means i love my
country while the right views the US as a big piggybank.

No, you are a selfish mindless greedy *******. And I don't mind telling
you.

You vote for more debt and government you can't afford, which you will
never pay for. You openly support Obama-debt that will screw up your
grandkids future with your debt-taxes because you are a selfish welfare
prick today. You have excuses, you envy like a leach, your basically a
pathetic racist fool.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?