On 14/05/2011 11:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:56:39 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:40:18 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 21:32:43 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 17:14:09 -0400, wrote:



If you are a big business, Wall Street, insurance company, medical
conglomerate, neocon war mongering kind of republican you have to
love Obama. So far he is GW Bush with a tan. (the 5th Bush Brother)

let's see...

obama proposed a single payer system that would put the insurance
companies out of business

Yet he brags about a system that did little but bring another 40
million customers to the same insurance companies that you hate at the
point of a government gun

uh wrong

1. he gives a subsidy to low income earners to buy insurance
2. he removes the policy of excluding pre existing conditions

if he'd had his way our healthcare system would be more efficient. but
folks like you objected because it didnt make the rich richer


Uh what part of what I said was wrong. Where did those 40 million
have to go? To the same insurance companies who still really have no
limits to what they charge. All we did was put the government in the
position of having to borrow money to pay for it.
This is a "mandate", in other words the government makes you go to
those insurance companies.

Before you say it, yes they capped overhead at 20% but the worst case
estimate before the law was that they had a 17% overhead. They got a
17.6% raise.


. Exactly ZERO republicans voted for that
bill or had anything to do with writing it. It was democrats in the
senate that killed single payer.

lotsa right wing democrats

Then look inside your party. That is my point



obama proposed strong regulations on wall street

Yet the democratic senate came up with a fin reg bill that left most
of the abuses like too big to fail in place. Maybe it was because they
took more money from Wall Street than the republicans did.

actually the dems didnt. in the last election, 80% of wall street
money went to the GOP

Cite that.
I see this
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F07


you gotta keep up with the news if you're gonna argue facts

oh. i forgot. you're right wing you dont do facts

You seem to be the one who pulls numbers out of your ass.


and the GOP fought the regulations against wall street. in fact the
GOP fought ANY regulations.

The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate, the house and the White
House. Why didn't they do something?
Oh it was YOUR right wing democrats.


obama is getting us out of iraq

On the Bush schedule ... if he can actually pull it off. I will
believe it when I see it.

HAHAHA uh bush didnt HAVE a schedule. guess you just pulled THAT one
out of your....ahem...

Maybe you were in a cave but there was a schedule, the same one we are
currently on.

He doubled down in Afghanistan

gee. wonder why that was

now let's see...how many islamists terrorirsts in iraq?

oh. zero

Having nothing to do with the double down in Afghanistan. There were
less than 150 terrorist suspects in Afghanistan and we sent 150,000
guys in after them.

and there doesn't seem to be any end to
that war on the horizon, even though the excuse we went there is at
the bottom of the Indian Ocean right now. He wasn't even in
Afghanistan and hasn't been there for at least 5 years.

ah. no end to the war?

gee. he's said 2014 and he's making it happen.

I hope that is right but I doubt we will be out of either place by
2014 unless we elect an anti-war president.

bush never got close

and you're just not bright enough to understand why we're fighting the
taliban

you're just not very bright at all


Insults do not enhance the credibility of your argument.

The fact is there are more Taliban now than there were in 2002 but the
vast majority of them have no interest in attacking the US, they just
want us out of their country, just like they wanted the Soviets out.
We somehow feel the need and the right to impose our culture on them
and they don't like it.

Well, in order to have less Taliban, you have to be prepared to kill them.

Or like cockroaches they can become a bigger problem.

I do think it best to leave, but after building a monument our of
concrete. It will read.

"Live in peace, do what you want inside your borders and we will ignore
your barbarism. But take your problems to us again, this will be ground
zero."

Put it right in-front of their capital buildings. And if they ause
trouble in the future, including frug trade, nuke'em. No need to spread
American and Canadian blood for a barbaric culture.

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Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?