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Obama endorses slavery
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:45:50 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:00:59 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:09:06 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 01:33:24 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog wrote: wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:34:37 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:23:08 -0700, wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:57:48 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:05:47 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... You and the boater guy still confuse debt with an asset. Nope. I understand exactly how SS and debt work. And I believe debt should be repaid. You're a welsher, but just won't admit it. Dance, dance, dance. Won't turn a con job into a ballet. It isn't just me. Anyone who understands basic arithmetic knows you can't pay out more than you make for very long. Except this isn't your credit card. It's a very complex equation with complex equation with lots of accounting variables. While it's certainly true that one can't pay out more than one makes for very long, "long" is a relative term. We've had deficits for decades and the national debt has been around since the revolution.. something on that order. There is absolutely no reason to start foaming at the mouth and claiming it's near term crisis. Perhaps it's a mid-term crisis. We can start by increasing taxes on the richest Americans, reigning in corporate tax avoidance, reducing military spending, dealing with fraud/abuse. We should not be starting with putting this on the backs of a struggling middle class. The last time we had this much of a deficit we had just won WWII. The rest of the world was a smoking hole in the ground and we owed most of the money to ourselves. If people wanted to buy things, they had to buy them from us. That is not the case now. Other countries own a good chunk of our debt, bought with dollars we paid for their goods. We are buying more than we sell only making the problem worse. Yes, and thanks GWB for getting us in this spot. Thank GOD Obama isn't beholden to corps anywhere close to how he was.. Obama is closer. He gave them more financial assistance. Obamacare is a huge corporate welfare program to the medical and insurance complex Firstly, there is no such thing as Obamacare. Secondly, the reason the insurance companies love it is because of two things. The obstructionism by the right wing and the Democrats' inability to stand up and be counted. The insurance companies love the healthcare bill is because it was written by a couple of Wellpoint lobbyists. I can understand why Obama wants to disavow it but it was still on his watch. It's still better than what we had before. More people are covered and even better aspects have yet to kick in. The GOP can honestly say they had nothing to do with it. They were not included in the senate process where the bill was written and they didn't vote for it. Total nonsense. Many of their suggestions were included. That's just right wing nonsense. This was totally a democratic bill and it pretty much cedes all of the health care money over to the same insurance companies they like to vilify. More nonsense. The ins. companies deserve whatever vilification they get. They are simply horrible. |
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Obama endorses slavery
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:39:15 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:32:51 -0700, wrote: This was totally a democratic bill and it pretty much cedes all of the health care money over to the same insurance companies they like to vilify. More nonsense. The ins. companies deserve whatever vilification they get. They are simply horrible. Yet the health care bill did nothing to limit their take. Well that is not exactly true, you limited it to 20% but the worst case scenario had the current insurance company overhead at 17%. They're required to spend more of the money on healthcare. But, beyond that, I thought profit and free enterprise are the right wing mantra. If so, why are you complaining about how much the ins. companies make? |
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Obama endorses slavery
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:13 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:48:26 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:39:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:32:51 -0700, wrote: This was totally a democratic bill and it pretty much cedes all of the health care money over to the same insurance companies they like to vilify. More nonsense. The ins. companies deserve whatever vilification they get. They are simply horrible. Yet the health care bill did nothing to limit their take. Well that is not exactly true, you limited it to 20% but the worst case scenario had the current insurance company overhead at 17%. They're required to spend more of the money on healthcare. But, beyond that, I thought profit and free enterprise are the right wing mantra. If so, why are you complaining about how much the ins. companies make? It is more the hypocrisy of you not complaining about a bill that gives insurance companies 20% cap when they were only taking 17 when you claim it is better for the consumer. Me not complaining? I've complained about it from the beginning. You're the one who seems to be saying that you've got yours and to hell with everyone else. The fact is that the current healthcare reform legislation IS better for the consumer. It's flawed and should be fixed, but it is better than what we had before. I really do not believe this will do anything to cut the cost of health care. Yes, I've heard you say that. You don't have any facts to support it, but I've heard you say it. |
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Obama endorses slavery
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:13:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:19:45 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:01:13 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:48:26 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:39:15 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:32:51 -0700, wrote: This was totally a democratic bill and it pretty much cedes all of the health care money over to the same insurance companies they like to vilify. More nonsense. The ins. companies deserve whatever vilification they get. They are simply horrible. Yet the health care bill did nothing to limit their take. Well that is not exactly true, you limited it to 20% but the worst case scenario had the current insurance company overhead at 17%. They're required to spend more of the money on healthcare. But, beyond that, I thought profit and free enterprise are the right wing mantra. If so, why are you complaining about how much the ins. companies make? It is more the hypocrisy of you not complaining about a bill that gives insurance companies 20% cap when they were only taking 17 when you claim it is better for the consumer. Me not complaining? I've complained about it from the beginning. You're the one who seems to be saying that you've got yours and to hell with everyone else. Have mine? What I have is $3,000 deductible, basically no insurance at all. But, of course you don't need insurance and you never will, and neither will all the other people, apparently. The fact is that the current healthcare reform legislation IS better for the consumer. It's flawed and should be fixed, but it is better than what we had before. I really do not believe this will do anything to cut the cost of health care. Yes, I've heard you say that. You don't have any facts to support it, but I've heard you say it. My insurance cost went up to a level I was unwilling to pay. That is fact enough for me. So, you opted out. I pray you stay healthy or have deep pockets. |
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