On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:13:18 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:11:11 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:10:44 -0400, wrote:
?

If people start using other ways to invest the stock market will
suffer and that makes the 401k suffer.

proof?

well. none. capital gains taxes are as low as they've ever been in US
history

how's the US economy doing? we at full employment? how's the deficit?
is it low?

The stock market is doing great. that is good for your 401k isn't it?
That is all I said.

let's see

we're 10 trillion poorer than we were 3 years ago

we have to cut defense

we have to cut medicare

we have to cut social security

we have to raise taxes

we have a record deficit

do you READ the freakin' NEWS right winger??




the fact is, capital gains should be taxed as regular income. there's
no reason the rich should get a free ride. i'm not a socialist and
dont believe in socialism for the rich like the right wing does

I am far from rich as are most seniors and they enjoy the lower rates
on their investments.
They are also the ones who VOTE

as paul krugman said in a recent article about the right wing seniors
who voted GOP and will now be gutted like fish:

SUCKERS!!


If you look, the big boom in the stock market started with the Clinton
cut on capital gains. 1996, effective in 1997.

gee. and capital gains were cut under bush

which led to the greatest depression in US history since 29

Again the stock market came out long before the general economy did.
BTW do you think we should tax the gain on your house as ordinary
income too?

i'm midde class. the middle class cant afford a tax increase AND my
house, like most, is under water

tax the rich. THEY ****ed this economy. do you follow the news??


They use the tax code to modify behavior. When you raise the tax on
something, people do less of it. They drop the tax when they want you
to do more of it.

gee. so we have socialism for the rich and the middle class pays for
it

you want a good economy? high demand?

cut taxes on the middle class. but the right wing OPPOSES that.


The middle class has the lowest tax rate since the Hoover
administration.
I made $100k and paid about $11,000 in income tax

and the rich have the lowest tax rates since

1931.

AND they ****ed the economy. but you say 'let 'em do it again

you're a socialist for the rich

we simply cant afford your socialism any more

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:02:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:22:55 -0400, Disgruntled wrote:

On 4/26/2011 6:11 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:10:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:41:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:52:26 -0400, wrote:


you need to write more clearly. cant help it that the right wing cant
right. after all if you believe the laffer curve you'll believe
anything


Low cap gains tax had little or nothing to do with the recession. It
was greed, plain and simple.

"....right wing cant right...." Talk about writing clearly!

absolutely true. the right got EVERYTHING they wanted and THIS economy
is the result

It's not like their intentions were a secret either. I mean they've
been advocating this stuff since the 1950s.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:01:27 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:02:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:22:55 -0400, Disgruntled wrote:

On 4/26/2011 6:11 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:10:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:41:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:52:26 -0400, wrote:


you need to write more clearly. cant help it that the right wing cant
right. after all if you believe the laffer curve you'll believe
anything


Low cap gains tax had little or nothing to do with the recession. It
was greed, plain and simple.

"....right wing cant right...." Talk about writing clearly!

absolutely true. the right got EVERYTHING they wanted and THIS economy
is the result

It's not like their intentions were a secret either. I mean they've
been advocating this stuff since the 1950s.

what i love is that, every time they DESTROY the economy they just say
it's because we didnt go far enough.

you can only lose your virginity once. but the right believes in the
perpetual hymen

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:12:22 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:01:27 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:02:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:22:55 -0400, Disgruntled wrote:

On 4/26/2011 6:11 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:10:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:41:32 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:52:26 -0400, wrote:


you need to write more clearly. cant help it that the right wing cant
right. after all if you believe the laffer curve you'll believe
anything


Low cap gains tax had little or nothing to do with the recession. It
was greed, plain and simple.

"....right wing cant right...." Talk about writing clearly!

absolutely true. the right got EVERYTHING they wanted and THIS economy
is the result

It's not like their intentions were a secret either. I mean they've
been advocating this stuff since the 1950s.

what i love is that, every time they DESTROY the economy they just say
it's because we didnt go far enough.

you can only lose your virginity once. but the right believes in the
perpetual hymen

LOL Maybe they need to get laid more often!

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:54:19 -0700, sent the
following message
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:12:22 -0400, wf3h wrote:


On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:01:27 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:02:44 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:22:55 -0400, Disgruntled
wrote:

On 4/26/2011 6:11 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:10:44 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:41:32 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:52:26 -0400, wrote:


you need to write more clearly. cant help it that the right
wing cant
right. after all if you believe the laffer curve you'll
believe
anything


Low cap gains tax had little or nothing to do with the
recession. It
was greed, plain and simple.

"....right wing cant right...." Talk about writing clearly!

absolutely true. the right got EVERYTHING they wanted and THIS
economy
is the result

It's not like their intentions were a secret either. I mean
they've
been advocating this stuff since the 1950s.

what i love is that, every time they DESTROY the economy they just
say
it's because we didnt go far enough.

you can only lose your virginity once. but the right believes in
the
perpetual hymen


LOL Maybe they need to get laid more often!

You would do well to follow your own advice.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:44:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:24:00 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message news

how did they screw us??

do you pay attention to the news?

ever heard of wall street? collateralized debt obligations that went
from 320B to 62 TRILLION in 10 years? about a financial sector that
went from 20% to 40% GDP in the same period?

about the collapse of lehman bros....bailouts of goldman sachs

you've never heard of this?


i can guarantee you this: he'll either IGNORE that question or tell us
obama was responsbile for the 29 crash


Reply:
totally stupid response you made there Bob.

yep. ilike i said. he ignores the role of the rich completely.

it absolutely blows the right wing's mind to think the rich can
bankrupt the US by greed. to the right, the rich are blessed of god,
virtuous and considerate, focused only on doing what's best for
america. and it's always wrong to regulate ANYTHING the rich do

such are the fairy tales of the right wing

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:44:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:24:00 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
news

how did they screw us??

do you pay attention to the news?

ever heard of wall street? collateralized debt obligations that went
from 320B to 62 TRILLION in 10 years? about a financial sector that
went from 20% to 40% GDP in the same period?

about the collapse of lehman bros....bailouts of goldman sachs

you've never heard of this?


i can guarantee you this: he'll either IGNORE that question or tell us
obama was responsbile for the 29 crash


Reply:
totally stupid response you made there Bob.

yep. ilike i said. he ignores the role of the rich completely.

it absolutely blows the right wing's mind to think the rich can
bankrupt the US by greed. to the right, the rich are blessed of god,
virtuous and considerate, focused only on doing what's best for
america. and it's always wrong to regulate ANYTHING the rich do

such are the fairy tales of the right wing


Reply:
you are really stupid. Yup, Wall Street screwed us. They are still
screwing us Obama is in bed with all the Wall Street powers. They are his
advisors. Couple years after Bush, we still have to big to fail financial
houses. Actually they have grown bigger under President Obama's leadership.
We are spending 160% if out tax receipts. Actually it is higher than that
as Medicare and SS receipts hide even more debt. How long do you think a
company or a family can overspend without either bankruptcy or ending up
leaving on the street? What has Obama done to help the US economy? Really?
Unemployment is still very high, higher than the rate shows as they no do
not count those who have been out of work for a couple years. The dollar is
falling against all currency except maybe the Icelandic version (ISK).

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:14:38 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:44:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...


do you pay attention to the news?

ever heard of wall street? collateralized debt obligations that went
from 320B to 62 TRILLION in 10 years? about a financial sector that
went from 20% to 40% GDP in the same period?

about the collapse of lehman bros....bailouts of goldman sachs

you've never heard of this?


i can guarantee you this: he'll either IGNORE that question or tell us
obama was responsbile for the 29 crash


Reply:
totally stupid response you made there Bob.

yep. ilike i said. he ignores the role of the rich completely.

it absolutely blows the right wing's mind to think the rich can
bankrupt the US by greed. to the right, the rich are blessed of god,
virtuous and considerate, focused only on doing what's best for
america. and it's always wrong to regulate ANYTHING the rich do

such are the fairy tales of the right wing


Reply:
you are really stupid. Yup, Wall Street screwed us. They are still
screwing us Obama is in bed with all the Wall Street powers.

let's see

the right GUARANTEES that america is a plutocracy. so it doesnt matter
WHO is the pres he'll dance to wall street. that's the american dream.

and obama just does it LESS than bush did. that's why the right hates
him. he's not a complete fanatic like the GOP is


They are his
advisors. Couple years after Bush, we still have to big to fail financial
houses. Actually they have grown bigger under President Obama's leadership.

uh huh. remember what happened when BP destroyed the gulf?

the GOP INSISTED that obama apologize to BP for hurting their
feelings. in america, we have ONLY the right and ONLY freedom for
corporations

and the right wing WANTS it that way. so go ahead spew your hatred of
blacks. the fact is YOU right wingers did this. YOU made this country
fail. YOU bankrupted it.


We are spending 160% if out tax receipts.

first pres to do that:

bush.


Actually it is higher than that
as Medicare and SS receipts hide even more debt. How long do you think a
company or a family can overspend without either bankruptcy or ending up
leaving on the street?

we're already bankrupt thanks to fundamentalist deregulation pushed by
YOU right wingers

we're ****ed. and it's because of the right wing

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:14:38 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:44:27 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message
. ..


do you pay attention to the news?

ever heard of wall street? collateralized debt obligations that went
from 320B to 62 TRILLION in 10 years? about a financial sector that
went from 20% to 40% GDP in the same period?

about the collapse of lehman bros....bailouts of goldman sachs

you've never heard of this?


i can guarantee you this: he'll either IGNORE that question or tell us
obama was responsbile for the 29 crash


Reply:
totally stupid response you made there Bob.

yep. ilike i said. he ignores the role of the rich completely.

it absolutely blows the right wing's mind to think the rich can
bankrupt the US by greed. to the right, the rich are blessed of god,
virtuous and considerate, focused only on doing what's best for
america. and it's always wrong to regulate ANYTHING the rich do

such are the fairy tales of the right wing


Reply:
you are really stupid. Yup, Wall Street screwed us. They are still
screwing us Obama is in bed with all the Wall Street powers.

let's see

the right GUARANTEES that america is a plutocracy. so it doesnt matter
WHO is the pres he'll dance to wall street. that's the american dream.

and obama just does it LESS than bush did. that's why the right hates
him. he's not a complete fanatic like the GOP is


They are his
advisors. Couple years after Bush, we still have to big to fail financial
houses. Actually they have grown bigger under President Obama's
leadership.

uh huh. remember what happened when BP destroyed the gulf?

the GOP INSISTED that obama apologize to BP for hurting their
feelings. in america, we have ONLY the right and ONLY freedom for
corporations

and the right wing WANTS it that way. so go ahead spew your hatred of
blacks. the fact is YOU right wingers did this. YOU made this country
fail. YOU bankrupted it.


We are spending 160% if out tax receipts.

first pres to do that:

bush.


Actually it is higher than that
as Medicare and SS receipts hide even more debt. How long do you think a
company or a family can overspend without either bankruptcy or ending up
leaving on the street?

we're already bankrupt thanks to fundamentalist deregulation pushed by
YOU right wingers

we're ****ed. and it's because of the right wing


Reply:
We are ****ed by the left wing now. Just because Bush screwed us with
spending, does not mean that Obama has to exceed at that subject. Seems as
if you think Obama is of the left, therefore can do no wrong. Why are we
still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya? Why are we still supporting and
growing too big to fail financial house? Bush is out of the White House a
couple years now, Obama is already running for reelection/ Why are we still
****ed?

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:49:40 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"wf3h" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:14:38 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


we're already bankrupt thanks to fundamentalist deregulation pushed by
YOU right wingers

we're ****ed. and it's because of the right wing


Reply:
We are ****ed by the left wing now.

america has no left wing. and you have proposed NO policies which are
'left wing' at all. it's a cliche that the right drags out to frighten
children

Just because Bush screwed us with
spending, does not mean that Obama has to exceed at that subject. Seems as
if you think Obama is of the left, therefore can do no wrong. Why are we
still in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya? Why are we still supporting and
growing too big to fail financial house? Bush is out of the White House a
couple years now, Obama is already running for reelection/ Why are we still
****ed?

the FACT is the deficit is being driven up by REDUCED revenues caused
by unemployment...a fact the right ignores

AND by factors such as medicare, unemployment, etc. over which obama
has little control

another fact the right ignores. the very fact you cant tell us what
obama is doing to drive up spending merely shows

you're a racist

we're in afghanistan because of an event known as 9/11. was there with
the coast guard. i saw what they did

we're almost out of iraq....a fact you ignore

and we're not in libya...a fact you ignore. we have drones there. and
NATO is doing the heavy lifting because we pulled out.

we are still ****ed for the same reason the 29 depression lasted 11
years

the right wants it that way. as long as the rich are doing fine, the
right doesnt give a **** about america