On 10/16/10 11:06 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:56:06 GMT, wrote:

Well, since it looks like you've made the plunge, I, for one, would like
your impressions on the towing experiences of the truck. Personally, I think
you could have made a better choice, but maybe your experiences will prove
me wrong.

What would you have suggested? I'm not tied into this one yet. It's getting
moved to Potomac Mills, but I'm under no obligations. Even if I put the money
down, I've got five days to return it for a full refund.

http://tinyurl.com/3ynlbyd



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On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:40:13 -0400, "MMC" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
.. .
Should I, or should I not? I've about decided that diesel pickups are too
damn
expensive. I'm looking pretty seriously at this:

http://tinyurl.com/27ehnzo

Any comments? Any experience with this beast? Consumer Reports gives it a
great
rating, and the damn thing will tow over 10K pounds.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.
When I did the build your own thing at Toyota.com, a double cab 4x2 with
5.7L v-8, off road pkg and spray in bed liner the price was $34-35k.
Cloth seats instead of leather, etc. but new.

The Carmax one had all the bells and whistles, which can add $10-15K pretty
quickly.
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John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:51:19 -0400, Harry® wrote:

"John H" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:47:00 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...
Should I, or should I not? I've about decided that diesel pickups are too
damn
expensive. I'm looking pretty seriously at this:

http://tinyurl.com/27ehnzo

Any comments? Any experience with this beast? Consumer Reports gives it a
great
rating, and the damn thing will tow over 10K pounds.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Too expensive. a 3 year old diesel would be the same or cheaper. Nice
truck, but the 10K tow rating is max and towing the gas mileage sucks.

Well, I have to admit I like this one also.

http://tinyurl.com/25mfnlh
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.


Someone else seems to have beat you to it.

No, the salesman took it down last night because he's having it sent to Virginia
for me to look at.
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John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:47:48 -0400, Harry® wrote:

"YukonBound" wrote in message ...


"Secular Humouresque" wrote in message
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On 10/15/10 1:24 PM, John H wrote:
Should I, or should I not? I've about decided that diesel pickups are too
damn
expensive. I'm looking pretty seriously at this:

http://tinyurl.com/27ehnzo

Any comments? Any experience with this beast? Consumer Reports gives it a
great
rating, and the damn thing will tow over 10K pounds.

Definitely. It makes perfect sense to spend $34,000 on a used truck three
model years old and pay $700 more to get it here. Go for it!

--


Not to mention it's only a 2WD model.
If I was going that deep in the hole.... especially for a used truck, it
would be 4WD


And what would A RAV 4 grocery hauler station wagon driver know about trucks?

And who said anything about going 'deep in the hole'?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 06:58:27 -0400, Secular Humouresque
wrote:

On 10/15/10 5:31 PM, A.Boater wrote:
John, I don't know what you are thinking. Harry is entirely correct.

Personally, having owned one Jap piece of junk, I'd never go there again.
Currently, I own a domestic 1/2 ton that will pull over 10,000 pounds. I get
17 MPG City and 21 MPG Hwy and that, with a 4WD model. If you are going to
tow the boat out of steep slimy boat ramps, you WANT 4wd.

One important point to consider is that a lot of these (especially foreign)
engines are designed to produce torque and horsepower at higher RPM. That
makes sense for a car, but a truck is going to drive you nuts when towing as
it tachs 4,000 RPM, most of the time, and eats fuel at that rate. Yeah, and
do you REALLY want gangsta tires and wheels on a truck?

I'll be doing more towing in the future and my next truck will be a diesel.
It makes a LOT more sense as a tow vehicle, has hugely better longevity, and
a much better resale. It isn't a coincidence that all long haul trucks are
diesel.

This is a large ticket item. The bitter taste of poor quality lingers far
longer than the initial sweetness of a cheap price. And it does so, in
proportion to the sticker price.

But, your call.


I towed a 7000-pound plus boat behind a Toyota Tundra and later a Toyota
4-Runner with Toyota's V8 engine. One in a great while, while towing up
a steep grade, the engines might have spun up to 2700 rpm. At normal,
safe highway towing speeds, the engines loafed along at 2200-2300 rpm.

I expect the newer, larger Toyota V8 to tow its full capacity loads at
similar RPMs.

That said, I'd also go for a diesel if I were towing a boat rig or other
trailer of 10000 pounds or more. But...I wouldn't buy a 10000-pound plus
"trailer" boat.

My guess is that Herring is going to have $70,000 tied up in that used
truck and heavy duty camper. That's a real example of the aphorism about
a fool and his money.

Again, Harry, thanks for your input.

I'd mention a few fitting aphorisms, but it would serve no purpose.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:08:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:03:02 -0400, Harry®
wrote:

I am not sure why anyone in Northern Va would need a 4wd. That is
needless complexity and lower gas mileage for a feature you might only
use once or twice a year in a freak snow storm.
I had a Jeep for 5 years across the river from him and I may have
actually used the 4wd for something where I really needed it 6 or 7
times. I probably should have stayed home and enjoyed my fireplace but
I had a Jeep.. Most of the time I was just out on the beltway heating
up 2 extra gear cases full of 90 wt.


Boat launching and off road camping come to mind. And there is the occasional ice storm.

If you are dunking your truck tires on a ramp you have a trailer
problem and 4wd is useless on ice. You end up losing all 4 wheels at
once and turns your vehicle into a hockey puck. It may be handy in
deep snow but that is not a huge problem around DC.

4WD isn't all that necessary around here, although it came in handy with all the
snow we had last winter. I did use my 4WD while in Utah. There are many roads
and trails off the beaten path where a 4WD comes in right handy.

Will I need it a lot? No. But, when I do, it'll be nice to have.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Oct 16, 10:51*am, Harry® wrote:
"John H" wrote in messagenews:blahb6hkvrt6k2gciplqseot328a527htg@4ax .com...
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:47:00 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
. ..
Should I, or should I not? I've about decided that diesel pickups are too
damn
expensive. I'm looking pretty seriously at this:

http://tinyurl.com/27ehnzo

Any comments? Any experience with this beast? Consumer Reports gives it a
great
rating, and the damn thing will tow over 10K pounds.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Too expensive. *a 3 year old diesel would be the same or cheaper. *Nice
truck, but the 10K tow rating is max and towing the gas mileage sucks.

Well, I have to admit I like this one also.

http://tinyurl.com/25mfnlh
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Someone else seems to have beat you to it.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID.

The magnificent Boatless Harry

Carmax put up a site I can access. Here's the truck: http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

On Oct 16, 11:09*am, Secular Humouresque wrote:
On 10/16/10 11:06 AM, John H wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:56:06 GMT, *wrote:

Well, since it looks like you've made the plunge, I, for one, would like
your impressions on the towing experiences of the truck. Personally, I think
you could have made a better choice, but maybe your experiences will prove
me wrong.

What would you have suggested? I'm not tied into this one yet. It's getting
moved to Potomac Mills, but I'm under no obligations. Even if I put the money
down, I've got five days to return it for a full refund.

http://tinyurl.com/3ynlbyd

--
Guns Don't Kill People -- Fundamentalist Religion Kills People!

Thanks for your input, Harry.

On Oct 15, 7:05*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
Well, let me know how it turns out. If you made a stupid purchase, I would
have been right in line just ahead or behind you. You will, of course, have
to listen to the anal twits here and their Guvmint Motors, crap, but I think
you made a very wise choice.

I made a pass on the diesel, this time, betting on the investments GM has
made in the product line. I don't know if you are keeping up, but the 2011+
diesel product lines offer a LOT of promises and innovations.

I'm assuming you got the Allison 6 speed. What is the rear axle ratio 3.73?

They put the site back up for me. Here's all the poop. Not sure if the
rear end is shown.

http://tinyurl.com/2a7lejw

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On 10/15/10 1:24 PM, John H wrote:
Should I, or should I not? I've about decided that diesel pickups are
too
damn
expensive. I'm looking pretty seriously at this:

http://tinyurl.com/27ehnzo

Any comments? Any experience with this beast? Consumer Reports gives it
a
great
rating, and the damn thing will tow over 10K pounds.

Definitely. It makes perfect sense to spend $34,000 on a used truck
three
model years old and pay $700 more to get it here. Go for it!

--


Not to mention it's only a 2WD model.
If I was going that deep in the hole.... especially for a used truck, it
would be 4WD


And what would A RAV 4 grocery hauler station wagon driver know about
trucks?

--

Duh..... I only bought the RAV4 18 months ago after the lease on my Ford
Ranger 2WD expired.
After driving front wheel drive vehicles since 1984...... that truck made
me nervous in the snow.
The rear end sure liked to jump out..... I had 100 lbs of bagged sand in
the bed although I only had the original equipment all season tires.