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On Oct 12, 5:05 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Oct 12, 3:03 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:37:16 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Locked out? Then how did all those Republican ideas get incorporated
into
the bill?
Because they were good ideas? They weren't any secret

Yes, they were good ideas, but the Republicans (and wackos esp.) are
claiming they were locked out of the process. Apparently not.

You apparently have selective memory.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/b...0/01/04/democr...

Nice post. Thanks. Unfortunately, it wasn't all that secret was it, and
it
certainly wasn't as effective as "secret" reform should have been. But,
some
half-way decent legislation did pass, and there will be decent benefits
for
people, esp. those who lacked insurance or were cancelled.

I never claimed it was "secret", just that one side of the aisle was
locked out. And yes, Roff is opinionated, but that was just the first
article from *many* sources that I grabbed a URL from. In the end,
there was an effort by the Dems to rush a severly flawed bill through
while excluding the Republicans from participating in the normal
process. In that there is no doubt.

The bill, while it does have some good ideas, is so severely flawed
that it will likely not survive in any recognizable form. Meanwhile
insurance rate have gone up and will not come back down, and both
industries (medical and insurance) still have not been "fixed".

Meanwhile the congress-critters have a gold-plated policy that we pay
for, and the band plays on.

Well, they weren't "locked out" either, at least not until they refused to
cooperate in good faith. That's the point. They had every opportunity to
contribute in a constructive way, and they refused to do it for purely
political reasons.

The noise from the right about Obama's terrible doings is pretty hard to
miss. The facts are a bit different. He's very middle of the road, not even
close to being a radical. Most of the Republicans who claimed to be middle
of the road have moved FAR to the right.

What passed was not "severely flawed" by any stretch. It's lacking in some
respects, but that's typical of most legislation. It can and should be
fixed, but it shouldn't be gutted, which is exactly what the right-wing nuts
want to do, along with ending Social Security and Medicare of course, not to
mention ending unemployment benefits for people.

Insurance rates have gone up and will continue to go up. They would have
done that (and did that) way before the legislation. You're correct that
neither the medical profession or the business of insurance have not be
fixed, but that's a huge issue that requires bipartisan support, something
the Republicans will not do!

So, what's your solution? Vote in Tea Baggers who are barely qualified (and
I'm being generous)?