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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/



Here is a link that will help you to understand which way "Think Progress" leans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_...rican_Progress

Before subscribing to the message of articles like the one you cited, you need to think about what motivates the author. I hardly think you could get objective reporting from The Center for American Progress. And hows about the money they channel? Now that's impressive.

You really are pathetic.
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial
lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in
politics, where do I sign?

This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that
537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the
flood gates.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:37:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial
lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in
politics, where do I sign?

This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that
537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the
flood gates.


There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into
politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org?

Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data.

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There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into
politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org?

Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data.

They have the actual numbers reported to the government but you are
right that details from bundlers are unavailable.
That is true for both parties although your blinders only allow you to
see good things about democrats and bad things about republicans.
I have no problem seeing both of them being weasels.

Except that the Republicans are getting (as website said) 8:1 on the money.
And, we can't see the foreign interest money, which would be illegal if
discovered.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes
this
secret meeting in his office.

Did you ever watch "Obama's Deal" on PBS (Frontline). I am sure it is
still up on PBS.ORG



The synopsis seems to indicate the normal course of events for getting
legislation done, except that there's a corrosive environment promulgated by
Republicans. I see no mention of any secret meeting in Reid's office.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes
this
secret meeting in his office.

Did you ever watch "Obama's Deal" on PBS (Frontline). I am sure it is
still up on PBS.ORG



The synopsis seems to indicate the normal course of events for getting
legislation done, except that there's a corrosive environment promulgated
by
Republicans. I see no mention of any secret meeting in Reid's office.


You didn't watch the same show I did then or you were in the bathroom.
They even name the UHC lobbyists who wrote the bill.
Nobody said it was a secret meeting either. That was just where the
text of the bill came from.

If I get a minute I will clip out that segment and put it up on my web
site as an MP3.

I never said I watched the show. I looked at the synopsis.

So, it's somehow immoral to meet in someone's office? It's not clear that
they actually did meet there, but it sure is a great Republican talking
point... it's REID's fault!

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The synopsis seems to indicate the normal course of events for getting
legislation done, except that there's a corrosive environment
promulgated
by
Republicans. I see no mention of any secret meeting in Reid's office.


You didn't watch the same show I did then or you were in the bathroom.
They even name the UHC lobbyists who wrote the bill.
Nobody said it was a secret meeting either. That was just where the
text of the bill came from.

If I get a minute I will clip out that segment and put it up on my web
site as an MP3.

I never said I watched the show. I looked at the synopsis.

Yet you still feel competent to refute the findings. Amazing.
Bear in mind this is PBS, not Fox.

The synopsis was misleading? Well, ok.


So, it's somehow immoral to meet in someone's office? It's not clear that
they actually did meet there, but it sure is a great Republican talking
point... it's REID's fault!

It is immoral to write a bill behind closed doors that affects the
whole country

That's pretty much how legislation has been done for the last, what, 100
years? more?

So, if it was behind closed doors, then it was hidden? Just checking.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:42:01 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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If I get a minute I will clip out that segment and put it up on my web
site as an MP3.

I never said I watched the show. I looked at the synopsis.

Yet you still feel competent to refute the findings. Amazing.
Bear in mind this is PBS, not Fox.

The synopsis was misleading? Well, ok.

I am just saying you can't put all of a 56 minute show in a 3 line
synopsis.
I have it ripped into an MP3 file and I will clip out the part I am
talking about later tonight. Maybe you should hear the deal they made
with Billy Touzin too (the Pharma lobbyist)
I can put the whole 56 minutes on my web site if you like. (burn you a
CD or whatever) It is pretty interesting.

I can probably get it... I think I found a link to view it directly. I'm
sure it's interesting! Sort of like making sausage.

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:29:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 16:42:01 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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If I get a minute I will clip out that segment and put it up on my
web
site as an MP3.

I never said I watched the show. I looked at the synopsis.

Yet you still feel competent to refute the findings. Amazing.
Bear in mind this is PBS, not Fox.

The synopsis was misleading? Well, ok.

I am just saying you can't put all of a 56 minute show in a 3 line
synopsis.
I have it ripped into an MP3 file and I will clip out the part I am
talking about later tonight. Maybe you should hear the deal they made
with Billy Touzin too (the Pharma lobbyist)
I can put the whole 56 minutes on my web site if you like. (burn you a
CD or whatever) It is pretty interesting.

I can probably get it... I think I found a link to view it directly. I'm
sure it's interesting! Sort of like making sausage.

This is about 16 minutes in Howard Dean talking about how the bill was
written. Karen Ignani is the lobbyist for the insurance companies.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Howard%20Dean.mp3

This is a link to the show on PBS

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../etc/cron.html

I'll look when I get a chance, but Dean wasn't part of Congress at that
point, so I'm not sure how he could know the actual details, except second
hand.