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...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?

Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.

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If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as
the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought
the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month.

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?



Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.


Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

Thanks SC and Citizen's United.

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still eligible
for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does double
the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you have
lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I guess
you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go broke,
get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess that's
been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.

On 10/6/10 1:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still
eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does
double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you
have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it
might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I
guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they
have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go
broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so
hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.




Fretwell tries very, very hard to make a moral equivalence between the
Republicans and Democrats when it is obvious there isn't one.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:21:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:14:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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news On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:33:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as
the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought
the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month.

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?



Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.


Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

Thanks SC and Citizen's United.



I find that hard to believe. Is it possible that your estimator could be blowing smoke up your ass?

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If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
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In article ,
says...

On 10/6/10 1:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still
eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does
double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you
have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it
might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I
guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they
have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go
broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so
hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.




Fretwell tries very, very hard to make a moral equivalence between the
Republicans and Democrats when it is obvious there isn't one.

Hey the spoofer came up with a true statement for once! Both parties are
full of corrupt politicians whose only goal is re-election.

"Secular Humoresque" wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...

On 10/6/10 1:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still
eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does
double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you
have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it
might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I
guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they
have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go
broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so
hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.




Fretwell tries very, very hard to make a moral equivalence between the
Republicans and Democrats when it is obvious there isn't one.

Hey the spoofer came up with a true statement for once! Both parties are
full of corrupt politicians whose only goal is re-election.


And there's your moral equivalency. Surprised the politic junkie didn't see it

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If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
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On 10/6/2010 4:08 PM, Harry® wrote:
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says...

On 10/6/10 1:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700,
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700,
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still
eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does
double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you
have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it
might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I
guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they
have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go
broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so
hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.




Fretwell tries very, very hard to make a moral equivalence between the
Republicans and Democrats when it is obvious there isn't one.

Hey the spoofer came up with a true statement for once! Both parties are
full of corrupt politicians whose only goal is re-election.


And there's your moral equivalency. Surprised the politic junkie didn't see it


How's your daughter, loogy? Any more broken arms?

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:02:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:21:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?

I just said it was stupid to pay $500 a month($6000) for $3000 worth
of insurance

And, I agree with you, but if you don't really have a choice, then it isn't
a question of being stupid is it?




Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:04:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still eligible
for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does double
the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


OK

You have described the problem but the ONLY fix it is to get some
personal responsibility back in the populace. I am not rich and I
really never have been but I was brought up understanding it is better
to save up your money and buy something instead of doing it on credit.
Insurance is nothing but prepaid credit.

That's part of the "fix" but most people take personal responsibility if
given half a chance. Personal responsibility doesn't help much if you're
making minimum wage or have medical problems.





Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you have
lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it might
be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I guess
you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they have
a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go broke,
get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so hard
to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's
been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.


The problem has been going on since 1957, the last YEAR with a
decreasing national debt.
I have never said Bush was good on the debt. He was a disaster.

Ok. We're even. lol