the rich are doing ok. agree more.

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

On 10/7/10 2:05 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700,
wrote:




What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.


It should be obvious even to you that no matter what was in that bill,
the Republicans wouldn't have voted for it if it represented any sort of
progress because, as we know, the Republicans are doing whatever they
can to prevent *any* legislative accomplishments for the current president.

The country would have been far better off if Obama had just said, "We
gave the Republicans their chance many times, **** 'em."

The bill that finally was passed is too compromised and is nothing more
than a beginning in a process that will take decades. We're not going to
resolve our medical insurance catastrophes until we get the private
for-profit sector out of the primary medical insurance business. There
should be nothing sacrosanct about "profit making" when it doesn't serve
the public's interest. The United States does not exist for the purpose
of corporate profit.
--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

wrote in message ...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

She's about as slippery as a greased pig. She won't let facts or logic stand in her way.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID
Boatless Harry

On 10/7/2010 7:58 AM, Harry® wrote:

She's about as slippery as a greased pig. She won't let facts or logic stand in her way.

I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone
knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC,
it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current
IDBoatless Harry
###


It is obvious you are not "the real Harry," but just another of the weak
personality morons who can only get attention here by posing as another
poster. If you were posting under your own "handle," hardly anyone would
pay attention to you. Other posters here claim you are either flajim,
loogy, or tosk. That's probably the case, since all three of them are
very similar in many ways.

On 10/7/10 8:03 AM, Jim wrote:
On 10/7/2010 7:58 AM, Harry® wrote:

She's about as slippery as a greased pig. She won't let facts or logic
stand in her way.

I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone
knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC,
it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current
IDBoatless Harry
###


It is obvious you are not "the real Harry," but just another of the weak
personality morons who can only get attention here by posing as another
poster. If you were posting under your own "handle," hardly anyone would
pay attention to you. Other posters here claim you are either flajim,
loogy, or tosk. That's probably the case, since all three of them are
very similar in many ways.


I can certainly understand why flajim, loogy or tosk would not want to
post as flajim, loogy or tosk. All three are candidates for the scoops.

--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ...

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:




What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/



Here is a link that will help you to understand which way "Think Progress" leans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_...rican_Progress

Before subscribing to the message of articles like the one you cited, you need to think about what motivates the author. I hardly think you could get objective reporting from The Center for American Progress. And hows about the money they channel? Now that's impressive.

You really are pathetic.
--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID
Boatless Harry

"Secular Humoresque" AKA Harry Krause wrote in message

It should be obvious even to you that no matter what was in that bill,
the Republicans wouldn't have voted for it if it represented any sort of
progress because, as we know, the Republicans are doing whatever they
can to prevent *any* legislative accomplishments for the current president.

The country would have been far better off if Obama had just said, "We
gave the Republicans their chance many times, **** 'em."

The bill that finally was passed is too compromised and is nothing more
than a beginning in a process that will take decades. We're not going to
resolve our medical insurance catastrophes until we get the private
for-profit sector out of the primary medical insurance business. There
should be nothing sacrosanct about "profit making" when it doesn't serve
the public's interest. The United States does not exist for the purpose
of corporate profit.
--
Republicans are the Party of No:
No Leaders / No Ideas / No Morals


More total bull**** from Krause the Democratic robot.

--
I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows.
If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID
spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID
Boatless Harry

In article , says...

On 10/6/2010 4:08 PM, Harry® wrote:
"Secular wrote in message ...
In article0qydnd8eQ_NrMDHRnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

On 10/6/10 1:04 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:28:04 -0700,
wrote:


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On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:15:35 -0700,
wrote:

If you are making double the minimum wage, you are still
eligible for
Medicaid.

Wow... that means you're rich and have no problem supporting
yourself,
because the min. wage is a true living wage. NOT

I responded to your minimum wage note,

I still say, if you are too broke to pay your bills, how can you
afford to support a banker/insurance company and still pay your
bills.

You claimed that somehow someone who makes twice the minimum age
shouldn't
be eligible for Medicaid. I called you out on that.

I just said they were eligible. I made no judgement beyond that. Read
it again. It is on top right now.

So, what were you trying to point out? Why the comment? What does
double the
minimum wage have to do with Medicaid?


You said a "minimum wage" person could not afford to set up a HSA.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote me.


Who's talking about supporting banker/ins. companies?????

That is the effect of wanting "dollar zero" insurance because you
can't manage to save enough to even pay a minimal amount of doctor
bills. It is just fiscal lunacy, much the same as saying you are too
broke to pay your bills so you charge up your credit cards.

Who's advocating dollar zero insurance? The fact is that when you
have lots
of medical problems and you don't have a great job, you still have to
get
help. Where do you think you're going to get the money? While it
might be
lunacy from your point of view, from the point of view of the person in
trouble, it's a short-term viable solution. But, you just want to cut
them
off, right? So they can either sink or swim on their own. You've got
yours,
right? I bet you always remember to pay your fire insurance too. I
guess you
don't have any moral imperative to help your neighbors in case they
have a
problem.

If you can't afford your bills, how can you possibly afford your bills
PLUS 29% interest?

YOU CAN'T. That's the POINT. They don't have an alternative in the short
term. Then, the CC bill comes due and they can't pay, and they go
broke, get
evicted, can't feed their kids. I don't understand why this is so
hard to
understand. Not everyone can manage to live like you do. Sometimes
people
live paycheck to paycheck, and sometimes they get over-extended due to
unforeseen expenses, but I guess that's never happened to you. Good for
you!!

Unfortunately anyone who thinks that is OK also thinks the government
is doing fine borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.

Please show me where anyone here thinks that's "OK." That's missing the
point by a wide mile.


Yet that is exactly what this administration (and the one before it)
is doing.

The last one did nothing about it. The current one has to fix a mess
that's been growing for 10 years or more... all in 2 years of course.




Fretwell tries very, very hard to make a moral equivalence between the
Republicans and Democrats when it is obvious there isn't one.

Hey the spoofer came up with a true statement for once! Both parties are
full of corrupt politicians whose only goal is re-election.


And there's your moral equivalency. Surprised the politic junkie didn't see it


How's your daughter, loogy? Any more broken arms?

He's not "loogy", he's Harry?. Been threatening to molest anyone's wife
again lately?

In article , says...

On 10/7/2010 7:58 AM, Harry® wrote:

She's about as slippery as a greased pig. She won't let facts or logic stand in her way.

I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone
knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC,
it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current
IDBoatless Harry
###


It is obvious you are not "the real Harry," but just another of the weak
personality morons who can only get attention here by posing as another
poster. If you were posting under your own "handle," hardly anyone would
pay attention to you. Other posters here claim you are either flajim,
loogy, or tosk. That's probably the case, since all three of them are
very similar in many ways.

Go call someone's wife and threaten to molest them...again.