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If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as
the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought
the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month.

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

You keep talking about the government 35% subsidy but the rates have
gone up close to 100% so you still will have employers who will not be
offering insurance. The small business people we know are still scared
to death about how this will work out for them and that is why they
are not hiring. The kid that used to be my wife's assistant is working
70-80 hours a week at the gate company as is his boss because they are
afraid to hire anyone.

?? Firstly, I never said anything about subsidies. Yes, there will be
employers who don't offer insurance. And, that means they don't have to
spend money on those programs and can hire people. I don't know who you've
been talking to, but the definition of a small business seems pretty
loose.
There are some pretty big companies that are technically and for tax
purposes are considered "small businesses."


I am talking about small business 4-20 employees. Your confusion is
the legislation talks about type S corporations and everyone assumes
that means "S"mall. It is just a type of closely held corporation ...
of any size. I had a type S for years.

So does Bechtel and a host of other "small" corporations of similar size.
It's not _my_ confusion. It's the confusion that the Republicans are
perpetrating on the American public.

Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.

He is happy with the money tho. This is a smart kid and he is paying
down his mortgage with his overtime.

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If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as
the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought
the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month.

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?



Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.


Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

Thanks SC and Citizen's United.

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If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to
buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free.

So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as
the
person who has $3K sitting in the bank?

Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought
the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month.

I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?



Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.


Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

Thanks SC and Citizen's United.



I find that hard to believe. Is it possible that your estimator could be blowing smoke up your ass?

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I thought you were rich. What's the problem?

I never said I was rich, you did.

But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.?

I just said it was stupid to pay $500 a month($6000) for $3000 worth
of insurance

And, I agree with you, but if you don't really have a choice, then it isn't
a question of being stupid is it?




Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people.
They
are certainly afraid.

What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

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What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

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What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in
Harry Reids office?

It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans
made
lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many
lobbyists and not enough regular people.

Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was
written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho.

Completely untrue.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html

Nice try with an alternate set of facts.

Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the
bill was written.

Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the
final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED

Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There
is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree
they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but
the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill.
Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not
the Senate Majority leader's office.

They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the
party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US
on the right path.

Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with
constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are
evil, so the Republicans aren't playing.

Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this
secret meeting in his office.



Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into
negative
campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The
Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans.


Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money



It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something
like
10:1 Reps/Dems.

cite that

Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/



Here is a link that will help you to understand which way "Think Progress" leans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_...rican_Progress

Before subscribing to the message of articles like the one you cited, you need to think about what motivates the author. I hardly think you could get objective reporting from The Center for American Progress. And hows about the money they channel? Now that's impressive.

You really are pathetic.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial
lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in
politics, where do I sign?

This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that
537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the
flood gates.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html

You said "hidden"

Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of
Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that
group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/

It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial
lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in
politics, where do I sign?

This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that
537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the
flood gates.


There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into
politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org?

Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data.

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There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into
politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org?

Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data.

They have the actual numbers reported to the government but you are
right that details from bundlers are unavailable.
That is true for both parties although your blinders only allow you to
see good things about democrats and bad things about republicans.
I have no problem seeing both of them being weasels.

Except that the Republicans are getting (as website said) 8:1 on the money.
And, we can't see the foreign interest money, which would be illegal if
discovered.

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Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes
this
secret meeting in his office.

Did you ever watch "Obama's Deal" on PBS (Frontline). I am sure it is
still up on PBS.ORG



The synopsis seems to indicate the normal course of events for getting
legislation done, except that there's a corrosive environment promulgated by
Republicans. I see no mention of any secret meeting in Reid's office.