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![]() wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:14:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news ![]() On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:33:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free. So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as the person who has $3K sitting in the bank? Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month. I thought you were rich. What's the problem? You keep talking about the government 35% subsidy but the rates have gone up close to 100% so you still will have employers who will not be offering insurance. The small business people we know are still scared to death about how this will work out for them and that is why they are not hiring. The kid that used to be my wife's assistant is working 70-80 hours a week at the gate company as is his boss because they are afraid to hire anyone. ?? Firstly, I never said anything about subsidies. Yes, there will be employers who don't offer insurance. And, that means they don't have to spend money on those programs and can hire people. I don't know who you've been talking to, but the definition of a small business seems pretty loose. There are some pretty big companies that are technically and for tax purposes are considered "small businesses." I am talking about small business 4-20 employees. Your confusion is the legislation talks about type S corporations and everyone assumes that means "S"mall. It is just a type of closely held corporation ... of any size. I had a type S for years. So does Bechtel and a host of other "small" corporations of similar size. It's not _my_ confusion. It's the confusion that the Republicans are perpetrating on the American public. Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They are certainly afraid. What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. He is happy with the money tho. This is a smart kid and he is paying down his mortgage with his overtime. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:21:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:14:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news ![]() wrote: wrote in message news:ndlna6dacff61fbi75lsrsj0ji0p8j4psq@4ax. com... If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free. So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as the person who has $3K sitting in the bank? Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month. I thought you were rich. What's the problem? I never said I was rich, you did. But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.? Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They are certainly afraid. What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho. Completely untrue. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html Nice try with an alternate set of facts. Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like 10:1 Reps/Dems. Thanks SC and Citizen's United. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:21:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:14:15 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news ![]() wrote: wrote in message news:ndlna6dacff61fbi75lsrsj0ji0p8j4psq@4ax .com... If they "can't afford much" how will they be dealing with having to buy insurance. We have all agreed it won't be free. So, you think that someone who can make a $200/mo payment is the same as the person who has $3K sitting in the bank? Adding me was $500 a month, $200 was the 26 year old AFTER you bought the $500 "family" policy. Total $700 a month. I thought you were rich. What's the problem? I never said I was rich, you did. But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.? Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They are certainly afraid. What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho. Completely untrue. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html Nice try with an alternate set of facts. Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like 10:1 Reps/Dems. Thanks SC and Citizen's United. I find that hard to believe. Is it possible that your estimator could be blowing smoke up your ass? -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID Boatless Harry |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:02:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:21:45 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I thought you were rich. What's the problem? I never said I was rich, you did. But you have a problem affording a measly $700/mo.? I just said it was stupid to pay $500 a month($6000) for $3000 worth of insurance And, I agree with you, but if you don't really have a choice, then it isn't a question of being stupid is it? Yes, Karl Rove and friends certainly did a number on lots of people. They are certainly afraid. What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho. Completely untrue. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html Nice try with an alternate set of facts. Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the bill was written. Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like 10:1 Reps/Dems. cite that Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho. Completely untrue. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html Nice try with an alternate set of facts. Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the bill was written. Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill. Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not the Senate Majority leader's office. They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US on the right path. Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are evil, so the Republicans aren't playing. Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this secret meeting in his office. Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like 10:1 Reps/Dems. cite that Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html You said "hidden" Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/ |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:39:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: What does Karl Rove have to do with a health care bill written in Harry Reids office? It wasn't "written in Harry Reid's office." Nice try. The Republicans made lots of contributions, as did Democrats, and unfortunately too many lobbyists and not enough regular people. Bull****, the bill that came from the Democrats in the senate was written without any input from the republicans. Nice try tho. Completely untrue. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ealth_car.html Nice try with an alternate set of facts. Those are "ideas" the GOP still did not have anyone around when the bill was written. Yet those "ideas" were part of the bill. So, the Democrats who wrote the final draft didn't just use their own ideas. QED Of the "five" Ezra says are in the bill he really only cited 3. There is no real tort reform and the fifth was not even defined. I agree they threw a few bones in there to try to get a GOP vote or two but the fact remains the GOP was not in there helping to write this bill. Normally these kinds of things come out of a bipartisan committee, not the Senate Majority leader's office. They weren't helping because they refused to help. They were and remain the party of NO. They're not, as far as I can tell, interested in getting the US on the right path. Normally, you're sort of right, but the party in power runs the show with constructive input from the opposition. But, Obama and the Democrats are evil, so the Republicans aren't playing. Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this secret meeting in his office. Karl Rove... not a thing, except all the money he's funneling into negative campaigns.. money from guess who? Don't know? Neither do I. Why? The Disclosure Act that was blocked by Republicans. Both sides have plenty of "bundled" money It's estimated that the contributions from hidden money is something like 10:1 Reps/Dems. cite that Well, here's 8:1 on the insurance companies... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html You said "hidden" Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/ Here is a link that will help you to understand which way "Think Progress" leans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_...rican_Progress Before subscribing to the message of articles like the one you cited, you need to think about what motivates the author. I hardly think you could get objective reporting from The Center for American Progress. And hows about the money they channel? Now that's impressive. You really are pathetic. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a PC or a MAC, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a PC or a MAC, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his current ID Boatless Harry |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html You said "hidden" Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/ It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in politics, where do I sign? This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that 537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the flood gates. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:37:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...elections.html You said "hidden" Yes. So, please tell us who is contributing money to the US Chamber of Commerce and how that money is being kept separated from the funds that group is throwing at attack ads for Republicans. http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/05/...mber-commerce/ It is no different than the 537s for the unions, banks and the trial lawyers. If you just want to say there is too much bribe money in politics, where do I sign? This is much different in the volume of money esp. My recollection is that 537s had to disclose contributors. That has now changed and opened up the flood gates. There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org? Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:04:51 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There are lots of ways hidden ways to funnel corporate money into politics and both parties use them. Do you know about opensecrets.org? Sure... but they don't have access to the actual data. They have the actual numbers reported to the government but you are right that details from bundlers are unavailable. That is true for both parties although your blinders only allow you to see good things about democrats and bad things about republicans. I have no problem seeing both of them being weasels. Except that the Republicans are getting (as website said) 8:1 on the money. And, we can't see the foreign interest money, which would be illegal if discovered. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 00:47:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Again, with Reid's office. Please show us some citation that describes this secret meeting in his office. Did you ever watch "Obama's Deal" on PBS (Frontline). I am sure it is still up on PBS.ORG The synopsis seems to indicate the normal course of events for getting legislation done, except that there's a corrosive environment promulgated by Republicans. I see no mention of any secret meeting in Reid's office. |
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