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deficits don't matter
turns out they're irrelevant. they have no effect on growth. tax cuts
grow revenue who said this? a guy named dick cheney. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...4021_mz007.htm so the right wingers who now scream that obama, and only obama, have spent the US into the ground... kinda forgot that the rich white guys cheney and bush said defcits don't matter |
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On 2-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: turns out they're irrelevant. they have no effect on growth. tax cuts grow revenue who said this? a guy named dick cheney. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...4021_mz007.htm so the right wingers who now scream that obama, and only obama, have spent the US into the ground... kinda forgot that the rich white guys cheney and bush said defcits don't matter Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:17:30 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 2-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: turns out they're irrelevant. they have no effect on growth. tax cuts grow revenue who said this? a guy named dick cheney. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...4021_mz007.htm so the right wingers who now scream that obama, and only obama, have spent the US into the ground... kinda forgot that the rich white guys cheney and bush said defcits don't matter Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. sorry. the GOP already sent our jobs overseas...that way they can afford the $6000 umbrella stands... |
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On 8-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. sorry. the GOP already sent our jobs overseas...that way they can afford the $6000 umbrella stands... You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? |
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On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:07:21 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 8-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. sorry. the GOP already sent our jobs overseas...that way they can afford the $6000 umbrella stands... You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? gee. there USED to be a tax credit for deducting expenses for relocating your business overseas. too painful for you to remember? |
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On 8/9/2010 2:32 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:07:21 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz" wrote: On 8-Aug-2010, wrote: Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. sorry. the GOP already sent our jobs overseas...that way they can afford the $6000 umbrella stands... You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? gee. there USED to be a tax credit for deducting expenses for relocating your business overseas. too painful for you to remember? The more money DC creates in debt ponzi, the fewer jobs there are. Big ruse really, enslave America via taxation. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:41:38 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 8/9/2010 2:32 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:07:21 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz" wrote: On 8-Aug-2010, wrote: Tax relief doesn't matter either, you assholes would just take the few extra dollars and send it to Japan, Korea or red China. WAIT! No one said "the U.S. economy" I stand corrected. sorry. the GOP already sent our jobs overseas...that way they can afford the $6000 umbrella stands... You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? gee. there USED to be a tax credit for deducting expenses for relocating your business overseas. too painful for you to remember? The more money DC creates in debt ponzi, the fewer jobs there are. Big ruse really, enslave America via taxation. we aren't PAYING taxes. that's the problem |
deficits don't matter
On 9-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? gee. there USED to be a tax credit for deducting expenses for relocating your business overseas. too painful for you to remember? That's your excuse for buying foreign autos and red Chinese junk? There are tremendous benefits for not producing in the U.S., all which were imposed by the D.C. scum you elect. |
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On 10-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: too painful for you to remember? The more money DC creates in debt ponzi, the fewer jobs there are. Big ruse really, enslave America via taxation. we aren't PAYING taxes. that's the problem Where's the three trillion dollars the U.S. extracts from the productive minority coming from? What is borrowed is in excess of what is confiscated. |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:49:02 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 10-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: too painful for you to remember? The more money DC creates in debt ponzi, the fewer jobs there are. Big ruse really, enslave America via taxation. we aren't PAYING taxes. that's the problem Where's the three trillion dollars the U.S. extracts from the productive minority coming from? What is borrowed is in excess of what is confiscated. the productive sector in this country is the middle class. the rich are just parasites. |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:47:26 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 9-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: You send your ****ant wages for automobiles and 90% of consumer products outside the U.S. and it's the GOP's (or DNC's) fault? What freebie (that NEVER exists) are you waiting in line for now? gee. there USED to be a tax credit for deducting expenses for relocating your business overseas. too painful for you to remember? That's your excuse for buying foreign autos and red Chinese junk? uh no. the rich forgot that, when they raped the middle class, the MC had an alternative: buy chinese There are tremendous benefits for not producing in the U.S., all which were imposed by the D.C. scum you elect. yes bush and cheney were scum |
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On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Where's the three trillion dollars the U.S. extracts from the productive minority coming from? What is borrowed is in excess of what is confiscated. the productive sector in this country is the middle class. the rich are just parasites. The "middle class" is HISTORY in the U.S. "The rich" (a term usually used by the envious and failed) are the investors that build an enterprise and give losers jobs. Those investing are out of the U.S., or preparing to do so. |
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On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: That's your excuse for buying foreign autos and red Chinese junk? uh no. the rich forgot that, when they raped the middle class, the MC had an alternative: buy chinese The shoddy red Chinese crap is all that's available because the scum you elected granted unrestricted access to U.S. markets - "Americans," being too stupid to think their way out of a wet paper bag buy the overpriced crap, then wonder why there are no jobs. Domestic producers folded up and now you're begging Buckwheat for a $300 check. Starve, no one cares, and I don't produce in the U.S. anymore either. The condition will never be reversed. There are tremendous benefits for not producing in the U.S., all which were imposed by the D.C. scum you elect. yes bush and cheney were scum Cheney is the only competent elected (indirectly) person in office in 50 years. Too bad for you he doesn't think welfare for the unwashed is the wave of the future. You lose. |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:28:31 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Where's the three trillion dollars the U.S. extracts from the productive minority coming from? What is borrowed is in excess of what is confiscated. the productive sector in this country is the middle class. the rich are just parasites. The "middle class" is HISTORY in the U.S. "The rich" (a term usually used by the envious and failed) are the investors that build an enterprise and give losers jobs. Those investing are out of the U.S., or preparing to do so. and how much did these investors build in the US in the last 3 years after destroying 11 trillion dollars in equity and throwing millions out of work? care to tell us how wonderful they are? more right wing bull**** |
deficits don't matter
On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: The "middle class" is HISTORY in the U.S. "The rich" (a term usually used by the envious and failed) are the investors that build an enterprise and give losers jobs. Those investing are out of the U.S., or preparing to do so. and how much did these investors build in the US in the last 3 years after destroying 11 trillion dollars in equity and throwing millions out of work? care to tell us how wonderful they are? more right wing bull**** Thinking impaired???? YOU are referring to "Wall Street" money laundering scams. Productive industry builds something, like the autos, tools, capital machinery, machine tools and raw materials that used to be produced and employ millions in the U.S. Wall Street (house-of-cards) investment scams evaporated the moneys you "thought" was there. Your habit of sending your **** ant wages overseas depleted actual assets and investment, in concert with the scum you elected to allow dumping in the U.S. Try to think outside of the moronic TV shows to stare at. |
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On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: elected granted unrestricted access to U.S. markets ROFLMAO!! free trade is the mantra of the far right reaganites, milton friedman, etc. How can someone even as feeble as you "think" free trade is one way trade. Try to explain your "thinking." If you wnat to keep squealing like a stuck pig, stop sending your money overseas. |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:57:24 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: The "middle class" is HISTORY in the U.S. "The rich" (a term usually used by the envious and failed) are the investors that build an enterprise and give losers jobs. Those investing are out of the U.S., or preparing to do so. and how much did these investors build in the US in the last 3 years after destroying 11 trillion dollars in equity and throwing millions out of work? care to tell us how wonderful they are? more right wing bull**** Thinking impaired???? YOU are referring to "Wall Street" money laundering scams. Productive industry builds something, like the autos, tools, capital machinery this is like saying communism is wondeful, except that it's never been tried. the fact is, the wealthy, protected by the right, has had their way for the last 30 years. they ran the financial sector from 20% to 40% of GDP in the last 10 years. and what happened? did all this 'investment' make america more competitive? nope. the middle class got nothing. the income spread between the mddle class and the rich SKYROCKETED as the weatlhy transferred more and more money from the middle class to themselves and how's that work out? economy doing OK? unemployment down? .. Your habit of sending your **** ant wages overseas depleted actual assets and investment, in concert with the scum you elected to allow dumping in the U.S. Try to think outside of the moronic TV shows to stare at. i sent my money overseas because the only option left to me was walmart. otherwise i'd STILL be sending my money overseas but the wealthy would take an even BIGGER cut. you're a hopeless moron |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:59:04 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 13-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: elected granted unrestricted access to U.S. markets ROFLMAO!! free trade is the mantra of the far right reaganites, milton friedman, etc. How can someone even as feeble as you "think" free trade is one way trade. Try to explain your "thinking." If you wnat to keep squealing like a stuck pig, stop sending your money overseas. then give me a pay raise instead of sucking the dicks of the rich |
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On 14-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: YOU are referring to "Wall Street" money laundering scams. Productive industry builds something, like the autos, tools, capital machinery this is like saying communism is wondeful, except that it's never been tried. It hasn't, and is impossible to implement. It is utopian, however. Human nature makes it impossible. the fact is, the wealthy, protected by the right, has had their way for the last 30 years. they ran the financial sector from 20% to 40% of GDP in the last 10 years. and what happened? did all this 'investment' make america more competitive? Investment wasn't in the U.S., ignorantly aided and abbeted by the U.S. voter and consumer. (people like you) nope. the middle class got nothing. the income spread between the mddle class and the rich SKYROCKETED as the weatlhy transferred more and more money from the middle class to themselves Transferred? By doing something extra-productive? No, by continuing to produce while "Americans" sent their diminishing wages overseas. There is no fixed amount of money anywhere - it is dynamic, but you have to believe it is a fixed quantity for your moronic "theory" to work. and how's that work out? economy doing OK? unemployment down? Wages will not increase until North American wages can compete with the 3rd world ********s you send your diminishing wages to - they will bottom out within 4 to 5 years. Eventually, productive output in the United States will regenerate, allowing once again companies (those evil entities) to employ the fat happy and stupid. . Your habit of sending your **** ant wages overseas depleted actual assets and investment, in concert with the scum you elected to allow dumping in the U.S. Try to think outside of the moronic TV shows to stare at. i sent my money overseas because the only option left to me was walmart. otherwise i'd STILL be sending my money overseas but the wealthy would take an even BIGGER cut. So you admit you're part of the problem............I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT. The fat happy and stupid could revrse the trend in 90-120 days, but being fat happy and stupid prevents them (you) from doing so. You created the mess by your voting and purchasing habits - are you so inept that you have no option but to blame someone you don't know, never met, and can't identify??? you're a hopeless moron |
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On 14-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: ROFLMAO!! free trade is the mantra of the far right reaganites, milton friedman, etc. How can someone even as feeble as you "think" free trade is one way trade. Try to explain your "thinking." If you wnat to keep squealing like a stuck pig, stop sending your money overseas. then give me a pay raise instead of sucking the dicks of the rich You shouldn't be paid whatever you get right now, the fact that you have income is temporary. The U.S. will literally collapse, you will be a farmer, and in a couple hundred years the better times MIGHT happen all over again, once your lifestyle has reached equilibrium with India and red Chinese peasants. No one stole **** from you; your opportunities were lost due to the scum you elect allowing ONE WAY trade, and you supporting the trend with your spending habits. Why do you pay U.S. retail prices for shoddy 3rd world merchandise? Because you're stupid. |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:29:42 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 14-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: the fact is, the wealthy, protected by the right, has had their way for the last 30 years. they ran the financial sector from 20% to 40% of GDP in the last 10 years. and what happened? did all this 'investment' make america more competitive? Investment wasn't in the U.S., ignorantly aided and abbeted by the U.S. voter and consumer. (people like you) really? if you can prove i voted for reagan, i'll give you my 401K. nope. the middle class got nothing. the income spread between the mddle class and the rich SKYROCKETED as the weatlhy transferred more and more money from the middle class to themselves Transferred? By doing something extra-productive? No, by continuing to produce while "Americans" sent their diminishing wages overseas. There is no fixed amount of money anywhere - it is dynamic, but you have to believe it is a fixed quantity for your moronic "theory" to work. what did wall street ever produce? nothing except debt and fairy tales that people like you believe. and no, there isn't a fixed amount of money. monetary policy can increase or decrease it at will. and, yes, productivity in america increased by 28% from 1997 to 2007. the middle class got none of that. oh. you dont know any of these facts. you just let rush fill your head with right wing crap. and how's that work out? economy doing OK? unemployment down? Wages will not increase until North American wages can compete with the 3rd world ********s you send your diminishing wages to - and we can do that by increasing productivity OR by inventing products with differentiable IP. we used to be good at that until wall street starting sucking up moe resources to pay themselves billion dollar bonuses they will bottom out within 4 to 5 years. Eventually, productive output in the United States will regenerate, allowing once again companies (those evil entities) to employ the fat happy and stupid. really? got proof of this fairy tale? the rich will continue to get rich. the middle class will disappear...this has been going on for 30 years. bush just increased the pace i sent my money overseas because the only option left to me was walmart. otherwise i'd STILL be sending my money overseas but the wealthy would take an even BIGGER cut. So you admit you're part of the problem............I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT. fine. you give me a pay increase and i'll stop. unless and until the right realizes the middle class is not the enemy, our economy will continue to tank The fat happy and stupid could revrse the trend in 90-120 days, but being fat happy and stupid prevents them (you) from doing so. You created the mess by your voting and purchasing habits - are you so inept that you have no option but to blame someone you don't know, never met, and can't identify??? ROFLMAO!! tell you what. when you find the hidden stack of CDO's that i have, you let me know, OK it was wall street with their buying and selling of non productive financial instruments... NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS that destroyed this economy but you? you're a right wing idiot who thinks the middle class has an obligation to support the rich |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:33:57 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 14-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: ROFLMAO!! free trade is the mantra of the far right reaganites, milton friedman, etc. How can someone even as feeble as you "think" free trade is one way trade. Try to explain your "thinking." If you wnat to keep squealing like a stuck pig, stop sending your money overseas. then give me a pay raise instead of sucking the dicks of the rich You shouldn't be paid whatever you get right now, the fact that you have income is temporary. The U.S. will literally collapse, you will be a farmer, i've been saying this all along. the rich are continuing to socialize the risk and privatize the rewards...and you help them and in a couple hundred years the better times MIGHT happen all over again, once your lifestyle has reached equilibrium with India and red Chinese courtesy of the right wing which refused to implement treaties that guaranteed basic standards of living for all workers funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. peasants. No one stole **** from you; your opportunities were lost due to the scum you elect allowing ONE WAY trade, since george bush and ronald reagan pushed free trade, your brain has liquified if you think i voted for them you? you're right wing. you believe the fairy tales rush and reagan told you about how free trade would starve the US worker to support the rich and you support that and you supporting the trend with your spending habits. Why do you pay U.S. retail prices for shoddy 3rd world merchandise? Because you're stupid. fine. you get me a pay raise and i'll stop. |
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On 15-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Investment wasn't in the U.S., ignorantly aided and abbeted by the U.S. voter and consumer. (people like you) really? if you can prove i voted for reagan, i'll give you my 401K. Your 401k is a paper wager, and worthless. nope. the middle class got nothing. the income spread between the mddle class and the rich SKYROCKETED as the weatlhy transferred more and more money from the middle class to themselves Transferred? By doing something extra-productive? No, by continuing to produce while "Americans" sent their diminishing wages overseas. There is no fixed amount of money anywhere - it is dynamic, but you have to believe it is a fixed quantity for your moronic "theory" to work. what did wall street ever produce? nothing except debt and fairy tales that people like you believe. You are confused - THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING - THE HOUSE OF CARDS YOU DEPEND ON IS A SCAM. and no, there isn't a fixed amount of money. monetary policy can increase or decrease it at will. Productive output increases wealth - not wagers like 401K, which when based upon productive entities, were good investments - they are now (with your concurrence) based on wagers of "what it will be worth some day" with no sound foundation. and, yes, productivity in america increased by 28% from 1997 to 2007. the middle class got none of that. NO one "gets" anything - productivity increased because of imported materials and equipment (lowering costs - same output with less cost = greater productivity). Automotion (a good thing) was the other half of productivity. Your labors are no longer needed. oh. you dont know any of these facts. you just let rush fill your head with right wing crap. and how's that work out? economy doing OK? unemployment down? Wages will not increase until North American wages can compete with the 3rd world ********s you send your diminishing wages to - and we can do that by increasing productivity OR by inventing products with differentiable IP. we used to be good at that until wall street starting sucking up moe resources to pay themselves billion dollar bonuses Like "green jobs?" Check the solar panel output from red China - nothing's going to generate engineering, design, raw material output or production in the United States, reinforced by your propensity to buy foreign (while bitching about "the economy!") they will bottom out within 4 to 5 years. Eventually, productive output in the United States will regenerate, allowing once again companies (those evil entities) to employ the fat happy and stupid. really? got proof of this fairy tale? Logic - nothing else would stimulate employment of the fat happy and stupid. the rich will continue to get rich. the middle class will disappear...this has been going on for 30 years. bush just increased the pace i sent my money overseas because the only option left to me was walmart. otherwise i'd STILL be sending my money overseas but the wealthy would take an even BIGGER cut. So you admit you're part of the problem............I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT. fine. you give me a pay increase and i'll stop. unless and until the right realizes the middle class is not the enemy, our economy will continue to tank You won't have a job for a pay increase - you're not needed as long as the scum you elect open the U.S. to unrestricted importation of overpriced shoddy junk (that you are satisfied with) The fat happy and stupid could revrse the trend in 90-120 days, but being fat happy and stupid prevents them (you) from doing so. You created the mess by your voting and purchasing habits - are you so inept that you have no option but to blame someone you don't know, never met, and can't identify??? ROFLMAO!! tell you what. when you find the hidden stack of CDO's that i have, you let me know, OK gee whizzers it was wall street with their buying and selling of non productive financial instruments... NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS that destroyed this economy but you? you're a right wing idiot who thinks the middle class has an obligation to support the rich You are distressed with economic penis envy. If someone else achieves an income, they're taking it from you. That's stupid, but that's the TV generation. Create your own job - that's your only choice, "the rich" producers don't need you any more. |
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On 15-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: and in a couple hundred years the better times MIGHT happen all over again, once your lifestyle has reached equilibrium with India and red Chinese courtesy of the right wing which refused to implement treaties that guaranteed basic standards of living for all workers That worked for Marx, right? Guarantee you living standard. That's around the corner - get ready from you cement block apartment. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. Australia is doing fine because they produce - spend a few months in Western Europe - you'll like the American ghetto even better than you do now. |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:40:59 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 15-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: Investment wasn't in the U.S., ignorantly aided and abbeted by the U.S. voter and consumer. (people like you) really? if you can prove i voted for reagan, i'll give you my 401K. Your 401k is a paper wager, and worthless. and the only retirement plan the rich let the middle class have. guess you forgot that what did wall street ever produce? nothing except debt and fairy tales that people like you believe. You are confused - THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING - THE HOUSE OF CARDS YOU DEPEND ON IS A SCAM. me? defend wall street? uh...let me know when your drugs wear off and no, there isn't a fixed amount of money. monetary policy can increase or decrease it at will. Productive output increases wealth - not wagers like 401K, which when based upon productive entities, were good investments - they are now (with your concurrence) based on wagers of "what it will be worth some day" with no sound foundation. and THAT is correct. finally you said something that's right and in the last 10 years, productivity went up 28%. the middle class got NONE of this. not a dime and, yes, productivity in america increased by 28% from 1997 to 2007. the middle class got none of that. NO one "gets" anything - productivity increased because of imported materials and equipment (lowering costs - same output with less cost = greater productivity). Automotion (a good thing) was the other half of productivity. Your labors are no longer needed. IOW you think people don't get wages. interesting view of the economy you have and if labor is no longer needed... why was there full employment for the 10 years before bush's depression? oh. your head just exploded... and we can do that by increasing productivity OR by inventing products with differentiable IP. we used to be good at that until wall street starting sucking up moe resources to pay themselves billion dollar bonuses Like "green jobs?" Check the solar panel output from red China - nothing's going to generate engineering, design, raw material output or production in the United States, reinforced by your propensity to buy foreign (while bitching about "the economy!") so your recipe is: 1. no wage increases for the middle class 2. buy only expensive domestic products so RICH AMERICANS get the money instead of rich CHINESE. interesting. they will bottom out within 4 to 5 years. Eventually, productive output in the United States will regenerate, allowing once again companies (those evil entities) to employ the fat happy and stupid. really? got proof of this fairy tale? Logic - nothing else would stimulate employment of the fat happy and stupid. uh wrong. when we had full employment with no wage increases, the only way the middle class could maintain the economy was to spend money we didnt have. now we're tapped out. the rich sucked all the money possible out of the middle class. fine. you give me a pay increase and i'll stop. unless and until the right realizes the middle class is not the enemy, our economy will continue to tank You won't have a job for a pay increase - you're not needed as long as the scum you elect open the U.S. to unrestricted importation of overpriced shoddy junk (that you are satisfied with) sorry. i never voted GOP in my life. it was wall street with their buying and selling of non productive financial instruments... NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS that destroyed this economy but you? you're a right wing idiot who thinks the middle class has an obligation to support the rich You are distressed with economic penis envy. If someone else achieves an income, they're taking it from you. really? guess you're kinda stupid and dont know that the middle class hasnt had a raise in 37 years but the wealthy have had their incomes go up by 500% not in other countries. only in america. you? you're willing to be a dung beetle. you eat the **** the rich feed you. |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:43:15 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 15-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: and in a couple hundred years the better times MIGHT happen all over again, once your lifestyle has reached equilibrium with India and red Chinese courtesy of the right wing which refused to implement treaties that guaranteed basic standards of living for all workers That worked for Marx, right? Guarantee you living standard. That's around the corner - get ready from you cement block apartment. so your recipe is to make sure that ALL working people are poor and only the wealthy stay wealthy. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. Australia is doing fine because they produce - spend a few months in Western Europe - you'll like the American ghetto even better than you do now. ah. they produce. the rich have sucked the marrow out of the american economy but to you that's fine because we have n o unions. |
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On 16-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: That worked for Marx, right? Guarantee you living standard. That's around the corner - get ready from you cement block apartment. so your recipe is to make sure that ALL working people are poor and only the wealthy stay wealthy. All working people (whatever the hell those are) ARE poor, and getting poorer. The largest company and highest average wage payer used to be General Motors. Now the largest company is Walmart, selling you overpriced junk at high prices. Nitwit clerks don't (and shouldn't) make more than minimum wage. Congress, and you made it all possible. Not "the rich" (whoever they are.) By the wealthy, are you referring to designers, engineers, toolmakers, owners of stamping companies, molding companies, forging companies, casting companies and those nasty *******s that employed you? If so, rest assured, they are out of business due to unabated foreign crap you joyously drag to your foreclosed home in your foreign auto. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. Australia is doing fine because they produce - spend a few months in Western Europe - you'll like the American ghetto even better than you do now. ah. they produce. the rich have sucked the marrow out of the american economy but to you that's fine because we have n o unions. Unions have 2 functions - to protect the incompetent, and to enrich their hierarchy. In fact, I used to be the president of a union, albeit only for the purpose of screwing over the Teamsters. |
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On 16-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: NO one "gets" anything - productivity increased because of imported materials and equipment (lowering costs - same output with less cost = greater productivity). Automotion (a good thing) was the other half of productivity. Your labors are no longer needed. IOW you think people don't get wages. interesting view of the economy you have You don't "get" your pay, you earn your pay, or hopefully earned it (unless your'e incompetent and protected by the mob) Once you're paid, veryone's even, no one owes you anything. What you "get" from that point forward depends on your viability as a useful laborer wage-earner. and if labor is no longer needed... why was there full employment for the 10 years before bush's depression? No depression, no recession - 1) a flood of money that bloated the financial marketplace as a result of IRAs and 401k's etc., such accounts only becoming available to the average schlub in the early 80's, That money supply made the cost of investment (and borrowing) low so investments were made. and 2) the personal computer industry, which employed millions and spawned complementary industries/services. That's all that gave jobs to the otherwise unemployable. During the same period (1992 or 1993 and beyond) began the greatest escape of productive output ever seen, and will never be seen again (too little to leave). Automobiles, steel, machinery, tools and dies, refined alloys, electronics, televisions, consumer goods - all off to Mexico and China due to trade agreements promoted and put into place by Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. When the paper investment market burst (I predicted it for 10 years; the real estate orgy was obvious to anyone), the PC market reached maturity and finally left the U.S. in combination with the simultaneous escape of firms having to leave the U.S., unemployment skyrocketed. (fear by the consumer kills retail - but so what? It's al foreign anyway - who gain's - Walmart jerkimo's?) Where will future employment come from? Prisons, minimum wage retail sales and scams like the financial markets, insurance and medical/legal fraud. Prisons and retail will employ many but not reestablish a middle class; the remainder is too small of a group. The current condition is the new "service economy" you've heard discussed but not described, hundreds of millions of poor people and a hundred thousand high income people. There is no recession, "it" won't "get better." (Unless you get to another country where opportunities exist, to simulate the former U.S.) |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:17:33 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 16-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: NO one "gets" anything - productivity increased because of imported materials and equipment (lowering costs - same output with less cost = greater productivity). Automotion (a good thing) was the other half of productivity. Your labors are no longer needed. IOW you think people don't get wages. interesting view of the economy you have You don't "get" your pay, you earn your pay, or hopefully earned it (unless your'e incompetent and protected by the mob) Once you're paid, veryone's even, no one owes you anything. What you "get" from that point forward depends on your viability as a useful laborer wage-earner. uh, who made up this rule? you're surprised that the middle class has no money with your view of wages? and, no, it doesn't depend on ability. middle class wages have not grown in 37 years. how is that accounted for in your 'utlity' view given that OTHER countries havent seen a run up in the GINI coefficient like the US has? oh. you don't know what the GINI coefficient is... and if labor is no longer needed... why was there full employment for the 10 years before bush's depression? No depression, no recession - 1) a flood of money that bloated the financial marketplace as a result of IRAs and 401k's etc., such accounts only becoming available to the average schlub in the early 80's, That money supply made the cost of investment (and borrowing) low so investments were made. and 2) the personal computer industry, which employed millions and spawned complementary industries/services. That's all that gave jobs to the otherwise unemployable. nope. the money from 401k's is deferred spending FROM the middle class. money that wall street coveted and thought, like you, the middle class didnt deserve. again, if labor is no longer needed, why did this happen only in the last 3 years? and jobs to the otherwise unemployable? what the hell does THAT mean? During the same period (1992 or 1993 and beyond) began the greatest escape of productive output ever seen, and will never be seen again (too little to leave). Automobiles, steel, machinery, tools and dies, refined alloys, electronics, televisions, consumer goods - all off to Mexico and China due to trade agreements promoted and put into place by Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. When the paper investment market burst (I predicted it for 10 years; the real estate orgy was obvious to anyone), the PC market reached maturity and finally left the U.S. in combination with the simultaneous escape of firms having to leave the U.S., unemployment skyrocketed. (fear by the consumer kills retail - but so what? It's al foreign anyway - who gain's - Walmart jerkimo's?) Where will future employment come from? Prisons, minimum wage retail sales and scams like the financial markets, insurance and medical/legal fraud. Prisons and retail will employ many but not reestablish a middle class; the remainder is too small of a group. The current condition is the new "service economy" you've heard discussed but not described, hundreds of millions of poor people and a hundred thousand high income people. There is no recession, "it" won't "get better." (Unless you get to another country where opportunities exist, to simulate the former U.S.) uh no. there IS a recession caused by the artificial creation of financial instruments, primarily CDO's CDO's went from ONE trillion in 1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007. why? because wall street got greedy. home ownership stayed constant at about 64% of the population. what changed was wall street created a bubble in housing prices, in LIEU OF wage increases. rather than PAYING people good wages, investors impoverished the middle class and ran up the price of our houses so we could use them as piggy banks. we then borrowed against these to cover expenses since our WAGES WERE DECREASING vs inflation the CDO market collapsed when people couldnt afford to borrow and spend if the elites had PAID DECENT WAGES NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED but wall street greed destroyed america and the right wing continues to tell us how the unregulated free market creates wealth WHERE IS IT? |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:27:47 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 16-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: That worked for Marx, right? Guarantee you living standard. That's around the corner - get ready from you cement block apartment. so your recipe is to make sure that ALL working people are poor and only the wealthy stay wealthy. All working people (whatever the hell those are) ARE poor, and getting poorer. courtesy of wall street The largest company and highest average wage payer used to be General Motors. Now the largest company is Walmart, selling you overpriced junk at high prices. Nitwit clerks don't (and shouldn't) make more than minimum wage. Congress, and you made it all possible. Not "the rich" (whoever they are. really? uh...then why were there SIXTY TWO TRILLION DOLLARS in CDO's in 2007? do you KNOW WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT?? so, yes, the RICH got greedy. you have some bull**** idea that cant explain ANYTHING. tell me how wal mart created this meltdown, OK? otherwise you're just another rush pimp. By the wealthy, are you referring to designers, engineers, toolmakers, owners of stamping companies, molding companies, i'm an engineer. i'm not wealthy forging companies, casting companies and those nasty *******s that employed you? If so, rest assured, they are out of business due to unabated foreign crap you joyously drag to your foreclosed home in your foreign auto. gee. the financial sector of our economy went from 20% of GDP in 1997 to 40% in 2007 and to the right wing...there's nothing wrong with that.... proof of that is the shape our economy is in today. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. Australia is doing fine because they produce - spend a few months in Western Europe - you'll like the American ghetto even better than you do now. ah. they produce. the rich have sucked the marrow out of the american economy but to you that's fine because we have n o unions. Unions have 2 functions - to protect the incompetent, and to enrich their hierarchy. In fact, I used to be the president of a union, albeit only for the purpose of screwing over the Teamsters. tell it to the germans and australians. their economies are doing fine with their large unions ours isnt |
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On 17-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: so, yes, the RICH got greedy. you have some bull**** idea that cant explain ANYTHING. So the mental condition of "greed" enables "the greedy" to take from you? The only entity ENTITLED to take from you, and they take more than anyone, is governments of every level. What is sent overseas YOU do voluntarily. tell me how wal mart created this meltdown, OK? otherwise you're just another rush pimp. Never said Walmart caused it, Walmartn (and brethern) is a result of governmet policy and the consumer's sloth and idiocy. By the wealthy, are you referring to designers, engineers, toolmakers, owners of stamping companies, molding companies, i'm an engineer. i'm not wealthy No, you are middle class. Asian producers don't need you. forging companies, casting companies and those nasty *******s that employed you? If so, rest assured, they are out of business due to unabated foreign crap you joyously drag to your foreclosed home in your foreign auto. gee. the financial sector of our economy went from 20% of GDP in 1997 to 40% in 2007 That makes sense, when output is reduced and financial house-of-cards flourish, the percentages have to change. and to the right wing...there's nothing wrong with that.... proof of that is the shape our economy is in today. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. I told you before, live in Germany for 3 months and you'll suddenly prefer the lifestyle of "American" ghettos. Australia is exactly where the U.S. was 30-35 years ago, but without the cultural polution and dumbing-down of the population. Australia is doing fine because they produce - spend a few months in Western Europe - you'll like the American ghetto even better than you do now. ah. they produce. the rich have sucked the marrow out of the american economy but to you that's fine because we have n o unions. Unions have 2 functions - to protect the incompetent, and to enrich their hierarchy. In fact, I used to be the president of a union, albeit only for the purpose of screwing over the Teamsters. tell it to the germans and australians. their economies are doing fine with their large unions ours isnt Don't let reality get in the way of your misinformation - it will upset you. |
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On 17-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: You don't "get" your pay, you earn your pay, or hopefully earned it (unless your'e incompetent and protected by the mob) Once you're paid, veryone's even, no one owes you anything. What you "get" from that point forward depends on your viability as a useful laborer wage-earner. uh, who made up this rule? you're surprised that the middle class has no money with your view of wages? Supply and demand is the rule - in the current U.S., there is a huge supply of labor, but little demand. and, no, it doesn't depend on ability. middle class wages have not grown in 37 years. how is that accounted for in your 'utility' view given that OTHER countries haven't seen a run up in the GINI coefficient like the US has? oh. you don't know what the GINI coefficient is... I know what it is, don't care, and it's accurate. Millions of people doing nothing and a few being productive skew the scale to "inequality" which is a perfectly natural occurrence. and if labor is no longer needed... why was there full employment for the 10 years before bush's depression? No depression, no recession - 1) a flood of money that bloated the financial marketplace as a result of IRAs and 401k's etc., such accounts only becoming available to the average schlub in the early 80's, That money supply made the cost of investment (and borrowing) low so investments were made. and 2) the personal computer industry, which employed millions and spawned complementary industries/services. That's all that gave jobs to the otherwise unemployable. nope. the money from 401k's is deferred spending FROM the middle class. money that wall street coveted and thought, like you, the middle class didn't deserve. 401k's were a means for the feds to pander to the masses wanting independent investment. If you put it in a risky position, once again, it's your behavior. 401k's were never mandatory. The investments in companies went to hell because of the faulty house of cards. All investments are wagers. Intangible investments are pure wagers based on "gee I hope." again, if labor is no longer needed, why did this happen only in the last 3 years? I explained that 10 messages ago - the markets dried up for (then) new products, and producers had to move overseas to compete with unabated foreign onslaught. Let's pretend for a moment you are productive and have a little company making furniture in your home town, Weasel **** Creek, Arkansas. One day you notice large chains are selling a thousand times as much furniture as you are, albeit shoddy, all imported from East Butt**** China (which cost the reseller pennies). Their customers are dragging the junk home (in Toyota's etc) at prices 85% of your prices. You have no business. What do you do? 1) Close the business and ****can your employees, or if you have the wherewithal, 2) move overseas, and/or import also. Now all the employees that are left are retail sales stooges. POOF went the middle class (managers, designers, skilled trades, etc). Just for ****s and giggles, expand that occurrence across nearly every industry, and ask, "where did the jobs (middle class) go?? I'd suspect you could even figure this out. The government implemented the trade policies making it possible, and the purchasing public went along with the demise. Worse yet, the purchasing public will do NOTHING to reverse the trend. That's why a reversal is not possible. and jobs to the otherwise unemployable? what the hell does THAT mean? Unskilled labor requires no skills. During the same period (1992 or 1993 and beyond) began the greatest escape of productive output ever seen, and will never be seen again (too little to leave). Automobiles, steel, machinery, tools and dies, refined alloys, electronics, televisions, consumer goods - all off to Mexico and China due to trade agreements promoted and put into place by Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. When the paper investment market burst (I predicted it for 10 years; the real estate orgy was obvious to anyone), the PC market reached maturity and finally left the U.S. in combination with the simultaneous escape of firms having to leave the U.S., unemployment skyrocketed. (fear by the consumer kills retail - but so what? It's al foreign anyway - who gain's - Walmart jerkimo's?) Where will future employment come from? Prisons, minimum wage retail sales and scams like the financial markets, insurance and medical/legal fraud. Prisons and retail will employ many but not reestablish a middle class; the remainder is too small of a group. The current condition is the new "service economy" you've heard discussed but not described, hundreds of millions of poor people and a hundred thousand high income people. There is no recession, "it" won't "get better." (Unless you get to another country where opportunities exist, to simulate the former U.S.) uh no. there IS a recession caused by the artificial creation of financial instruments, primarily CDO's OK, the U.S. government bails you out (with your own money) then, where do the jobs come from? They will NOT be coming to the United States. CDO's went from ONE trillion in 1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007. why? because wall street got greedy. They held a gun to your head? Nope - you undermined the output the paper was based upon. home ownership stayed constant at about 64% of the population. what changed was wall street created a bubble in housing prices, Congress created a BOGUS bubble of real estate prices by encouraging banks to loan money to people that couldn't afford the loan (bad loans, short term loans). People failed to make the payments, the market value (hyperinflated) diminished and tons of useless paper was held by the financial institutions. in LIEU OF wage increases. rather than PAYING people good wages, investors impoverished the middle class and ran up the price of our houses so we could use them as piggy banks. Investors don't pay many people wages, productive companies making tangible products do. You elected "people" that undermined that condition,. then purchased the same overpriced crap that undermined your opportunities. "Wall Street" is actually a small group of people (getting schmoozed by the scumbags you elect) we then borrowed against these to cover expenses since our WAGES WERE DECREASING vs inflation the CDO market collapsed when people couldn't afford to borrow and spend Investors do NOT borrow and spend without demand. Every day you hear assholes in the media talking about firms unwilling to spend. NO company is going to invest or hire unless there is demand for the products. If money were available "free" (invalid concept) there would be no borrowing - there has to be demand, and demand is minimal. Few companies (,maybe 1%) produce at 100% capacity. When demand rises, they increase output with the assets (equipment, labor) they already have. When demand rises above their capacity to produce, THEN investment is made, and lastly, labor hired if necessary. Labor is the LAST thing any company increases. if the elites had PAID DECENT WAGES NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED Decent wages are part of demand. If no one needs you, why pay you at all? Or should the former U.S. adopt some Marx principles? but wall street greed destroyed America You destroyed "America" (no such country, but you're influenced by television), and you not willing to correct your own damn behavior. and the right wing continues to tell us how the unregulated free market creates wealth WHERE IS IT? It isn't unregulated; investment and output is punished in the former United States. There is no recession, because there is nothing to "turn around." I should write a book - "Elementary Economics for Dummies," but then you have to learn to read. Learn basic Inglés, I'm getting tired of spell checking your convoluted "logic." |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:47:02 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 17-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: You don't "get" your pay, you earn your pay, or hopefully earned it (unless your'e incompetent and protected by the mob) Once you're paid, veryone's even, no one owes you anything. What you "get" from that point forward depends on your viability as a useful laborer wage-earner. uh, who made up this rule? you're surprised that the middle class has no money with your view of wages? Supply and demand is the rule - in the current U.S., there is a huge supply of labor, but little demand. and yet when we had FULL employment wages STILL didn't go up. oh. rush didnt tell you tha and, no, it doesn't depend on ability. middle class wages have not grown in 37 years. how is that accounted for in your 'utility' view given that OTHER countries haven't seen a run up in the GINI coefficient like the US has? oh. you don't know what the GINI coefficient is... I know what it is, don't care, and it's accurate. Millions of people doing nothing and a few being productive skew the scale to "inequality" which is a perfectly natural occurrence. millions of people...oh. IOW it's the fault of the middle class. has nothing to do with wall street well, that's pretty much the typical right wing response. the rich can't be at fault. so it MUST be the middle class. nope. the money from 401k's is deferred spending FROM the middle class. money that wall street coveted and thought, like you, the middle class didn't deserve. 401k's were a means for the feds to pander to the masses wanting independent investment. gee. i was around when they invented 401K. no one was screaming for this at all. it was a way to have the middle class take on more of the burden of providing for themselves since the right destroyed pensions after crushing labor unions If you put it in a risky position, once again, it's your behavior. 401k's were never mandatory. The investments in companies went to hell because of the faulty house of cards. All investments are wagers. Intangible investments are pure wagers based on "gee I hope." of course they're wagers. that's why the right likes them. eventually the rich game the system to steal the money again, if labor is no longer needed, why did this happen only in the last 3 years? I explained that 10 messages ago - the markets dried up for (then) new products, and producers had to move overseas to compete with unabated foreign onslaught. so tell me how the middle class caused the markets to dry up? oh. they didn't. they had nothing to do with this you DO realize you're spouting bull****, right? in the last 10 years, productiivity increased 28% and the middle class didnt get a raise. not a dime. the rich took the money for themselves THEN wonders why the middle class isn't spending Let's pretend for a moment you are productive and have a little company making furniture in your home town, Weasel **** Creek, Arkansas. One day you notice large chains are selling a thousand times as much furniture as you are, albeit shoddy, all imported from East Butt**** China (which cost the reseller pennies). Their customers are dragging the junk home (in Toyota's etc) at prices 85% of your prices. You have no business. What do you do? 1) Close the business and ****can your employees, or if you have the wherewithal, 2) move overseas, and/or import also. Now all the employees that are left are retail sales stooges. POOF went the middle class (managers, designers, skilled trades, etc). Just for ****s and giggles, expand that occurrence across nearly every industry, and ask, "where did the jobs (middle class) go?? I'd suspect you could even figure this out. The government implemented the trade policies making it possible, a CDO's went from ONE trillion in 1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007. why? because wall street got greedy. They held a gun to your head? Nope - you undermined the output the paper was based upon. ROFLMAO!! i'm middle class. i have to deal with the cards the rich hand me. YES they held a gun to my head. it was called 'my job'. what is the middle class supposed to do? they voted right wing and got screwed. they voted for YOUR way of doing things and got destroyed so you want it both ways. you think the middle class SHOULD vote to screw itself. when it DOES they you say they're wrong for doing this you keep biting your own ass home ownership stayed constant at about 64% of the population. what changed was wall street created a bubble in housing prices, Congress created a BOGUS bubble of real estate prices by encouraging banks to loan money to people that couldn't afford the loan (bad loans, short term loans). People failed to make the payments, the market value (hyperinflated) diminished and tons of useless paper was held by the financial institutions. actually they didn't. as i pointed out, home ownership didn't change in the last 30 years. about 64% of people own homes...that's been constant over the last 3 decades so something ELSE changed. and that was wall street inventing CDO"s. WALL STREET destroyed this economy NOT the mddle class, in spite of your bull****. TONS OF USELESS PAPER?? uh...YEAH. wall street engaged in a HUGE circle jerk and made themselves rich and US poor in LIEU OF wage increases. rather than PAYING people good wages, investors impoverished the middle class and ran up the price of our houses so we could use them as piggy banks. Investors don't pay many people wages, productive companies making tangible products do and productivity increased 28% in the last 10 years full employment why no increase in wages? .. You elected "people" that undermined that condition,. then purchased the same overpriced crap that undermined your opportunities. "Wall Street" is actually a small group of people (getting schmoozed by the scumbags you elect) uh...you keep blaming ME for voting for reagan and bush. sorry, sport. never happened YOU voted for them. not me. NOW you want to blame the middle class for getting screwed for voting right wing?? yep. i agree on that. voting right wing is a way to get ****ed. we then borrowed against these to cover expenses since our WAGES WERE DECREASING vs inflation the CDO market collapsed when people couldn't afford to borrow and spend Investors do NOT borrow and spend without demand. WRONG!! this is where you ****ed up!! they INVENT **** to sell to themselves, knowing the govt will bail them out when they get in trouble. so they trade these CDO's to themselves...and then when the economy tanks because the middle class got ****ed, the CDO's come due you are SUCH a ****ing child the way you believe in the market. Every day you hear assholes in the media talking about firms unwilling to spend. NO company is going to invest or hire unless there is demand for the products. If money were available "free" (invalid concept) there would be no borrowing - there has to be demand, and demand is minimal. Few companies (,maybe 1%) produce at 100% capacity. When demand rises, they increase output with the assets (equipment, labor) they already have. When demand rises above their capacity to produce, THEN investment is made, and lastly, labor hired if necessary. Labor is the LAST thing any company increases. DEMAND...ah...DEMAND.... where does demand come from? the middle class the middle class HAS NO MONEY....why? BECAUSE RIGHT WINGERS ENSURED THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS NO MONEY if the elites had PAID DECENT WAGES NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED Decent wages are part of demand. If no one needs you, why pay you at all? Or should the former U.S. adopt some Marx principles? WRONG. WRONG. bull****. elites in the US decided NOT to increase wages. the GINI coefficient tells us this. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR YOUR BULL****. but wall street greed destroyed America You destroyed "America" (no such country, but you're influenced by television), and you not willing to correct your own damn behavior. YOU and your right wing buddies destroyed the MIDDLE CLASS and thereby destroyed the US. it's YOUR fairy tales about supply and demand that killed the middle class YOU voted for right wing poltiicians. YOU voted for wall street. YOU voted for the rich and they KILLED us. and the right wing continues to tell us how the unregulated free market creates wealth WHERE IS IT? It isn't unregulated; investment and output is punished in the former United States. There is no recession, because there is nothing to "turn around." bull****. this is meaningless mythology invented by the right to ensure the middle class continues to pay for the rich I should write a book - "Elementary Economics for Dummies," but then you have to learn to read. HAHAhHAAHA you write a book on economics!!! that's rich! ever think of going into comedy? Learn basic Inglés, I'm getting tired of spell checking your convoluted "logic." basics? you who dont even know the middle class hasnt had a raise in 37 years...telling us it's the fault of the middle class HAHAHAHAH!! |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:13:49 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 17-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: so, yes, the RICH got greedy. you have some bull**** idea that cant explain ANYTHING. So the mental condition of "greed" enables "the greedy" to take from you? yep me and 100M middle class folks The only entity ENTITLED to take from you, and they take more than anyone, is governments of every level. What is sent overseas YOU do voluntarily. bull****. when i work for a living and my wages dont increase...that's not the govt...it's the corporation i work for me and 100M other hard working americans you really DO love your bull****, dont you? tell me how wal mart created this meltdown, OK? otherwise you're just another rush pimp. Never said Walmart caused it, Walmartn (and brethern) is a result of governmet policy and the consumer's sloth and idiocy. more bull**** By the wealthy, are you referring to designers, engineers, toolmakers, owners of stamping companies, molding companies, i'm an engineer. i'm not wealthy No, you are middle class. Asian producers don't need you. no ****. because the rich have infinite liquidity. they dont need anyone including the USA. and the right loves this idea forging companies, casting companies and those nasty *******s that employed you? If so, rest assured, they are out of business due to unabated foreign crap you joyously drag to your foreclosed home in your foreign auto. gee. the financial sector of our economy went from 20% of GDP in 1997 to 40% in 2007 That makes sense, when output is reduced and financial house-of-cards flourish, the percentages have to change. yep. and the right...YOU...tells us this is the work of god. funny how highly unionized countries like australia and germany are doing fine. I told you before, live in Germany for 3 months and you'll suddenly prefer the lifestyle of "American" ghettos. Australia is exactly where the U.S. was 30-35 years ago, but without the cultural polution and dumbing-down of the population. i've spent months in germany. it's a wealthy country. its rich arent stealing everythying that's not nailed down like they are here. tell it to the germans and australians. their economies are doing fine with their large unions ours isnt Don't let reality get in the way of your misinformation - it will upset you. it must be nice to have rush do your thinking for you |
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says... On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:14:42 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:06:49 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:19:46 -0400, bpuharic wrote: Supply and demand is the rule - in the current U.S., there is a huge supply of labor, but little demand. and yet when we had FULL employment wages STILL didn't go up. oh. rush didnt tell you tha They certainly went up here. Day laborers were making $14 an hour., trades were making $60,000-$70,000 a year, buying new trucks and bigger boats. I guess Andrew Sullivan didn't tell you that. would you like me to post the data again? your little fairy tales aren't evidence. sorry You keep posting a chart that says the average person makes x and the average person made x 37 years ago but that doesn't talk about where the rich people came from or acknowledge that people moved up through that range. The sheep will always be led to the slaughter. |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:59:36 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 20-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: You keep posting a chart that says the average person makes x and the average person made x 37 years ago but that doesn't talk about where the rich people came from or acknowledge that people moved up through that range. what it shows is that the rich are getting richer by taking money from the middle class and social mobility is very low in the US compared to other countries want me to give you the evidence on that too? i have it. You're reinforcing your idiocy; the evidence is in your last 6 posts. Nobody takes anything from anyone except the government - they eliminated your opportunities, so you reward the scum by re-electing them. "The rich" (your manifestation of penis envy) remained, your class went away. YOU are the thief of your own productive livelihood. let me give you EVIDENCE, OK? ever hear of that? data that shows you're wrong? http://www.americanprogress.org/issu.../b1579981.html the govt of the rich, by the rich and for the rich has destroyed the middle class...and the right wing, with their mythology bull**** has aided and abetted this it was reagan, and the bush's, with their free market fundies who did this... |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:03:54 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 20-Aug-2010, bpuharic wrote: The only entity ENTITLED to take from you, and they take more than anyone, is governments of every level. What is sent overseas YOU do voluntarily. bull****. when i work for a living and my wages dont increase...that's not the govt...it's the corporation i work for If you had any value in the marketplace, you would be compensated. right wing bull****. prove it. The more your slleged skills are needed, the more you would be compensated. right wing bull****. prove it You are not longer needed because of those you elect and your mindless purchasing habits. It's "the service economy" ... remember? We don't need to produce any more. Your usefulness has crashed. me and 100M members of the middle class. remember us? The red Chinese are doing VERY WELL. They do what the U.S. did 30 years ago. courtesy of america's right wing who preached 'if you were needed you'd be compensated' well, apparently to the right wing, america's middle class isnt needed |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:03:38 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote: On 27-Aug-2010, Secular Humanist wrote: He is unable to grasp what is right in front of his face, that the foreign product invasion (aided and abbetted by the consumers) and at the invitation of the U.S. government, forced middle class employment and demand for that employment out the window. Explaining it over and over is like teaching a pig to dance. D'oh. What killed us was the unrestricted ability to move capital to exploit the cheapest labor available, and a business community emotionally and financially able to create an environment in which workers are returned to near-serfdom. "a business community" has plenty of use for you until you are no longer affordable or until they decide they want 10 cents more for themselves and can get it by starving the middle class This is what I have explained for the past 25 years. Search for "chairman of Intel" and read links to recent news - he just gave the same speech. It's about time, but too late for "Americans." he gave a speech filled with right wing fairy tales and bull****. i read his speech. There is no recession, what has occurred is an adjustment, over 25-30 years, to a non producing nation. yeah, courtesy of the rich. they discovered that, if they destroyed the middle class the'd make a fortune in the short term and that's what they did |
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