deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:17:05 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 24-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Dancing for Dollars probably does to. Read. Not just the rag telling
you
what some Hollywood whore did today.

i read nobel prize winning economists of both the left and right

There are functional economic behaviors, and destructive economic behaviors,
not "left" and "right" behaviors. As long as your Doctor Denton's are all
bunched up with TV blater, you won't understand.

then i can run for congress under the GOP banner

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:14:49 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 24-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Again, we agree - what's left of the U.S. is turning into Mexico

due to right wing mythology that the rich take care of the middle
class if you bribe the rich

The prior middle class needs to take care of themselves. The opportunity
wasn't wasted - the masses were and are still committing economic suicide.

we do take care of ourselves. we pay for EVERYTHING. that's the
problem the rich pay for NOTHING.

and we're committing suicide because we protect the rich at all costs,
courtesy of the right wing

because the rich have decided it's cheaper to deny americans a working
wage

Who specifically OWES you anything?

my boss does when i put in a fair day's labor you idiot. i know the
right wing looks at an honest day's work and laughs their asses
off...some of us believe in honest labor




the rich got a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years. the middle
class?

zero

..and declining - you need to emigrate if you want an opportunity, or, are
you still looking for somebody else to "do something?"

yeah. the rich to start paying their fair share and the right wing to
stop sucking up to them

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

There are functional economic behaviors, and destructive economic
behaviors,
not "left" and "right" behaviors. As long as your Doctor Denton's are
all
bunched up with TV blather, you won't understand.

then i can run for congress under the GOP banner

Go for it! You "think" like they do, and don't grasp elementary economics
either. You could be the next empty suit in the White House.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:30:59 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

There are functional economic behaviors, and destructive economic
behaviors,
not "left" and "right" behaviors. As long as your Doctor Denton's are
all
bunched up with TV blather, you won't understand.

then i can run for congress under the GOP banner

Go for it! You "think" like they do, and don't grasp elementary economics
either. You could be the next empty suit in the White House.


gee. you mean republicans are atheist pro choice anti gunners, anti
death penalty social democrats!!

boy, you sure know your politics!

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The prior middle class needs to take care of themselves. The opportunity
wasn't wasted - the masses were and are still committing economic
suicide.

we do take care of ourselves. we pay for EVERYTHING. that's the
problem the rich pay for NOTHING.

Their money was stolen, right? Want to be sure I keep the Marxist
perspective.


and we're committing suicide because we protect the rich at all costs,
courtesy of the right wing

Then STOP, fool.


because the rich have decided it's cheaper to deny americans a working
wage

Who specifically OWES you anything?

my boss does when i put in a fair day's labor you idiot. i know the
right wing looks at an honest day's work and laughs their asses
off...some of us believe in honest labor

And when you're paid, you're even. What are you bitching about???





the rich got a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years. the middle
class?

zero

..and declining - you need to emigrate if you want an opportunity, or,
are
you still looking for somebody else to "do something?"

yeah. the rich to start paying their fair share and the right wing to
stop sucking up to them

"The rich" (Bedwetters Anonymous terminology) could no longer afford to
support the majority welfare class (80% of population). In productive
countries, (Japan, Korea, red China, Viet Nam, India and on and on) there is
no welfare class - everybody's doing something, unlike in the U.S. Japan
almost fell into that trap in the late 80's, had to farm out labor to
Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines. Core middle class employment remainded in
Japan (unlike the US) such as engineering, management and R & D. Only the
factory rats expanded in the 3rd world, except India where they "get it" and
are expanding tremendously. See the direction of the U.S? No engineering or
R & D or high tech output, and without the previous plant operations, no
factory rats. You're screwed from both ends. Japs don't buy US products,
Koreans buy Korean, Chinese buy Chinese, even burnt out industrialized
countries like Germany and France buy German and French. It's primarily the
U.S. inhabitants that send most assets overseas, thenwonders, "WTF?"

Your solution is for non existent companies to give raises to people not
producing anything so they can be better off, right?

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Go for it! You "think" like they do, and don't grasp elementary
economics
either. You could be the next empty suit in the White House.


gee. you mean republicans are atheist pro choice anti gunners, anti
death penalty social democrats!!

boy, you sure know your politics!

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

Nor do I condone offing infants because it isn't convenient for the whore,
confiscation of self defense tools, and "the government" killing criminals
is NO different than what is done in Iran and Afghanistan. That sick aspect
alone is enough to subdivide what remains of the United States and put the
parts under control of various more advanced countries.

The U.S. used to be a melting pot - for 30 years it's been a chamber pot.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:45:07 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Go for it! You "think" like they do, and don't grasp elementary
economics
either. You could be the next empty suit in the White House.


gee. you mean republicans are atheist pro choice anti gunners, anti
death penalty social democrats!!

boy, you sure know your politics!

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

just organized crime organized by corporations


The U.S. used to be a melting pot - for 30 years it's been a chamber pot.

thanks to the right wing

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:40:01 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The prior middle class needs to take care of themselves. The opportunity
wasn't wasted - the masses were and are still committing economic
suicide.

we do take care of ourselves. we pay for EVERYTHING. that's the
problem the rich pay for NOTHING.

Their money was stolen, right? Want to be sure I keep the Marxist
perspective.

i love it. wall street invented nothing and took 11 trillion out of
the economy in the last 3 years

he bitches that the US doesn't produce anything...but fails to connect
the dots...then calls it 'marxist' when anyone questions the sanctity
of wall street



and we're committing suicide because we protect the rich at all costs,
courtesy of the right wing

Then STOP, fool.

uh...guess what. i'm a liberal. i h avent voted for the right wing.
ever

so your stupidity overflows like a cesspool moron



because the rich have decided it's cheaper to deny americans a working
wage

Who specifically OWES you anything?

my boss does when i put in a fair day's labor you idiot. i know the
right wing looks at an honest day's work and laughs their asses
off...some of us believe in honest labor

And when you're paid, you're even. What are you bitching about???

because the more the middle class makes the more they take rather than
paying a living wage they're content to let us drift into slavery

and you're all for it moron.


yeah. the rich to start paying their fair share and the right wing to
stop sucking up to them

"The rich" (Bedwetters Anonymous terminology) could no longer afford to
support the majority welfare class (80% of population).

then why did the rich have a 500% pay increase in the last 40 years
while the middle class had NONE??

oh i forgot. to you a decent wage for working people is 'welfare'

you've swalled the right wing kool aid so hate working people.

In productive
countries, (Japan, Korea, red China, Viet Nam, India and on and on

ROFLMAO!! productivity in the US outclasses ALL of them!!

HAHAHAHAHA

) there is
no welfare class - everybody's doing something, unlike in the U.S

ah. so you're saying we should have a communist slave state...

what were you saying about marxism above?

jesus you dont even keep track of your own stupid arguments!


.. Japan
almost fell into that trap in the late 80's, had to farm out labor to
Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines. Core middle class employment remainded in
Japan (unlike the US) such as engineering, management and R & D.

the reason engineering has died in the US is because of people like
YOU who glorify wealth over everything. YOU glorify the wealthy and
wall street LOVES it! wall street went from 20% to 40% of GDP in 10
years while producing NOTHING

and you still lecture hard working middle class americans that it's
OUR FAULT!!

HAHAHAHAHAH

smart kids go to wall street because it was an easy way to get rich.
and you told them that was great...all the while bitching that the US
doesnt produce anything!

christ...you are incredibly stupid.

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

And when you're paid, you're even. What are you bitching about???

because the more the middle class makes the more they take rather than
paying a living wage they're content to let us drift into slavery

and you're all for it moron.

How much should you be paid?

I don't have to succomb to calling people childish names.

How much should you be paid. Don't try some stupid answer like "enough to
pay my bills and send my kids to school."

How much? Who should determine how much?

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

just organized crime organized by corporations

Are you inept? Can't start a company? Need to depend on a union for you to
survive.

Only "evil corporations" created what was a middle class. Not the slime you
elect. Get a job in government? Who will the government confiscate assets
from to pay you? Yeah......no one left.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:41:52 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

just organized crime organized by corporations

Are you inept? Can't start a company? Need to depend on a union for you to
survive.

ROFLMAO!! countries with uinions have stronger middle classes than
ones without!

HAHAHAHAH...you hate the middle class...your disdain shows in every
post. whatsamatter? you think working for a living is beneath you?


Only "evil corporations" created what was a middle class.

nope. unions did. if ti wasnt for unions, we wouldnt have a middle
class, moron.

Not the slime you
elect. Get a job in government? Who will the government confiscate assets
from to pay you? Yeah......no one left.

you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

deficits don't matter
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:39:49 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

And when you're paid, you're even. What are you bitching about???

because the more the middle class makes the more they take rather than
paying a living wage they're content to let us drift into slavery

and you're all for it moron.

How much should you be paid?

a good decent wage that grows with productivity. just like in other
countries.

you're kinda stupid; you think the US is the whole world.

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

because the more the middle class makes the more they take rather than
paying a living wage they're content to let us drift into slavery

and you're all for it moron.

How much should you be paid?

a good decent wage that grows with productivity. just like in other
countries.

you're kinda stupid; you think the US is the whole world.

Didn't think you would answer a simple question.

deficits don't matter
 

On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

just organized crime organized by corporations

Are you inept? Can't start a company? Need to depend on a union for you
to
survive.

ROFLMAO!! countries with uinions have stronger middle classes than
ones without!

That was true in the U.S. until 35 years ago when the foreign invasion
started. You can't give an example of any country now fitting that
description.


HAHAHAHAH...you hate the middle class...your disdain shows in every
post. whatsamatter? you think working for a living is beneath you?


Only "evil corporations" created what was a middle class.

nope. unions did. if ti wasnt for unions, we wouldnt have a middle
class, moron.

Not the slime you
elect. Get a job in government? Who will the government confiscate
assets
from to pay you? Yeah......no one left.

you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

You should examine the facts and situation and determine the simple means
where a productive industry can be sustained. Repeating mindless gibberish
you hear on a television show prevents functional input.

What should happen to rebuild the middle class in the U.S.? Bring the auto
industry back? Bring the steel industry back? Bring tools and dies and molds
back? Bring capital equipment back?

How? Collective wage extortion is not an acceptable answer.

deficits don't matter
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:13:18 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

No, I don't participate in organized crime endorsed by the courts.

just organized crime organized by corporations

Are you inept? Can't start a company? Need to depend on a union for you
to
survive.

ROFLMAO!! countries with uinions have stronger middle classes than
ones without!

That was true in the U.S. until 35 years ago when the foreign invasion
started. You can't give an example of any country now fitting that
description.

anybody know what he's talking about? 10% of france is
muslim...they're not natives...lots of turks in germany, etc etc...

and, of course, their rich dont rape the middle class like ours does.


you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

You should examine the facts and situation and determine the simple means
where a productive industry can be sustained. Repeating mindless gibberish
you hear on a television show prevents functional input.

guess you didnt know that manufacturing in the US is actually GROWING.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/27/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

oh. that blows your right wing mind


What should happen to rebuild the middle class in the U.S.? Bring the auto
industry back? Bring the steel industry back? Bring tools and dies and molds
back? Bring capital equipment back?

How? Collective wage extortion is not an acceptable answer.

sure it is. the rich have been doing it for decades. you're jus too
stupid to know that

deficits don't matter
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:07:51 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

because the more the middle class makes the more they take rather than
paying a living wage they're content to let us drift into slavery

and you're all for it moron.

How much should you be paid?

a good decent wage that grows with productivity. just like in other
countries.

you're kinda stupid; you think the US is the whole world.

Didn't think you would answer a simple question.

i gave you an answer for an adult

sorry.

deficits don't matter
 

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Didn't think you would answer a simple question.

i gave you an answer for an adult

sorry.

....to an extreme

deficits don't matter
 

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

That was true in the U.S. until 35 years ago when the foreign invasion
started. You can't give an example of any country now fitting that
description.

anybody know what he's talking about? 10% of france is
muslim...they're not natives...lots of turks in germany, etc etc...

With all that pollution, it's natives still have a French state of mind.
Nothing similar exists in the Peoples Republic of Mexafrico.



and, of course, their rich dont rape the middle class like ours does.


you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

You should examine the facts and situation and determine the simple means
where a productive industry can be sustained. Repeating mindless
gibberish
you hear on a television show prevents functional input.

guess you didnt know that manufacturing in the US is actually GROWING.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/27/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

oh. that blows your right wing mind

Productive output is 50% decimated then statistically increased 1.6%. Wow.
Blows the doors off red China.

It's like half your body is eaten by cancer, but your wart is getting
better. You have low standards of success.



What should happen to rebuild the middle class in the U.S.? Bring the
auto
industry back? Bring the steel industry back? Bring tools and dies and
molds
back? Bring capital equipment back?

How? Collective wage extortion is not an acceptable answer.

sure it is. the rich have been doing it for decades. you're jus too
stupid to know that

Does your nurse know you're on the computer again?

deficits don't matter
 

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 01:09:16 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

That was true in the U.S. until 35 years ago when the foreign invasion
started. You can't give an example of any country now fitting that
description.

anybody know what he's talking about? 10% of france is
muslim...they're not natives...lots of turks in germany, etc etc...

With all that pollution, it's natives still have a French state of mind.
Nothing similar exists in the Peoples Republic of Mexafrico.


no bigotry there....nosirree, bob...



and, of course, their rich dont rape the middle class like ours does.


you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

You should examine the facts and situation and determine the simple means
where a productive industry can be sustained. Repeating mindless
gibberish
you hear on a television show prevents functional input.

guess you didnt know that manufacturing in the US is actually GROWING.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/27/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

oh. that blows your right wing mind

Productive output is 50% decimated then statistically increased 1.6%. Wow.
Blows the doors off red China.

gee. guess you haven't heard about the depression caused by right wing
theology


It's like half your body is eaten by cancer, but your wart is getting
better. You have low standards of success.

no, i have a sense of reality. you have a sense of delusion, AKA being
conservatives

deficits don't matter - HOLD THE PRESSES _ MY RETRACTION!
 

On 27-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

That was true in the U.S. until 35 years ago when the foreign invasion
started. You can't give an example of any country now fitting that
description.

anybody know what he's talking about? 10% of france is
muslim...they're not natives...lots of turks in germany, etc etc...

With all that pollution, it's natives still have a French state of mind.
Nothing similar exists in the Peoples Republic of Mexafrico.


no bigotry there....nosirree, bob...



and, of course, their rich dont rape the middle class like ours does.


you OWN the govt...every word you speak is right wing sarah palin
wannabe crap

You should examine the facts and situation and determine the simple
means
where a productive industry can be sustained. Repeating mindless
gibberish
you hear on a television show prevents functional input.

guess you didnt know that manufacturing in the US is actually GROWING.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/27/news...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

oh. that blows your right wing mind

Productive output is 50% decimated then statistically increased 1.6%.
Wow.
Blows the doors off red China.

gee. guess you haven't heard about the depression caused by right wing
theology


It's like half your body is eaten by cancer, but your wart is getting
better. You have low standards of success.

no, i have a sense of reality. you have a sense of delusion, AKA being
conservatives

Forget all the stupidity you wrote above, it's irrelevant.

My reversal and retraction:

I have analyzed new information and have to retract my previous
recommendations
and position.

There is no chance that multi-level production can return to your
country, the United States. The current, and unlikely to be repealed
encumbrances prohibit companies from "moving back." The costs of
operating in the U.S. are prohibitive, so even if it were to happen, they
could NOT be affordable to the staff and labor for a long period.

It would take the workforce (all higher end and tech jobs plus general
labor) months if not years to earn enough to afford U.S. products at the
prices necessary due to the costs of production.

It follows that the firms I expected to move back will not be able to
produce without customers, and
the middle class would not be able to "hang on" until their wages and
incomes could then afford US production. The companies would have
increased costs and no customers for a lengthy period. The lag would be
too great, the companies would fold or have to move out, as has already
happened.

Sorry about the bad news.

The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and the maniacal political party
rants still remain dysfunctional.

deficits don't matter - HOLD THE PRESSES _ MY RETRACTION!
 

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:55:46 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:



There is no chance that multi-level production can return to your
country, the United States. The current, and unlikely to be repealed
encumbrances prohibit companies from "moving back." The costs of
operating in the U.S. are prohibitive,

hmmmm...right now manufacturing is one of the fastest growing segments
of the economy

It would take the workforce (all higher end and tech jobs plus general
labor) months if not years to earn enough to afford U.S. products at the
prices necessary due to the costs of production.

now let's see...the US..with no labor unions...has higher costs than
germany, which is heavily unionized...


It follows that the firms I expected to move back will not be able to
produce without customers,

true. the rich have taken all the equity in the US and left nothing
for the middle class to spend


The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and the maniacal political party
rants still remain dysfunctional.

there are no increased taxes. the US effective corporate income tax
is 1 standard deviation below the OECD average

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ax_system.html

IOW every single thing you said in this post

is wrong

deficits don't matter - HOLD THE PRESSES _ MY RETRACTION!
 

On 28-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and the maniacal political party
rants still remain dysfunctional.

there are no increased taxes. the US effective corporate income tax
is 1 standard deviation below the OECD average

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ax_system.html

IOW every single thing you said in this post

is wrong

Write that down for future reference while living under a bridge.

deficits don't matter - HOLD THE PRESSES _ MY RETRACTION!
 

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:21:57 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 28-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The stupidity of increased taxes (????) and the maniacal political party
rants still remain dysfunctional.

there are no increased taxes. the US effective corporate income tax
is 1 standard deviation below the OECD average

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...ax_system.html

IOW every single thing you said in this post

is wrong

Write that down for future reference while living under a bridge.

you right wingers...always telling us how much you know....about
nothing