deficits don't matter
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

actually i agree with milton friedman; free trade, so the evidence
shows, raises standards of living EXCEPT when it becomes a race to the
bottom.


Too bad for you and your buddy Milton Friedman it's manifestly evident
it IS a race to the bottom.


you can't raise standards of living in the US by forcing us to pay
more for the things we buy. you increase standards by setting minimum
standards for living conditions in countries, similiar to setting free
trade conditions. that way you're not c ompeting by destroying living
standards


You raise standards by having everybody working at a decent wage.
Real unemployment is close to 20%.
Foreclosures and personal bankruptcies are at record levels.
How's that working for you?
Don't act stupid like you don't know Chinamen are slaving away at 60
cents an hour so you and other working Americans can have more toys.
That's how the the "rich" are getting "richer."
Your attitude about free trade pads their pockets.
And none of those NAFTA work condition guidelines were ever enforced so
that makes you and your buddy Milton full of **** again.

the fact is that the decrease in american living standards has
resulted in transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
productiviity in this country INCREASED over the last decade but the
middle class got NONE of it


The fact is that anybody here with a job at a decent wage is living
large. That would be you in spades.
You're just another hypocrite who wants more for himself and bull****s
about how good unions are, and how good the middle class is - except
when they cost you more for a product that you can get cheap by
exploiting Chinese labor.

Then you want those Chinamen working for 60 cents an hour to serve you.
Out of sight out of mind, hey?
That's why you won't be pinned down on "middle class" wages.
Want to think of yourself as a "working man."
Same as the kid serving you at Mickey D's.
Easier for you to rail against the "rich" you're jealous of.

I got news for you pal. China is probably cranking out 10's of
thousands of chemical engineers, and no Mickey D flippers.
Maybe India too.
You're next. And you don't have the experience to take the job from the
Mickey D's kid.
But maybe you can occupy yourself holding hands with your buddy Milton.
Walk on the beach together rhapsodizing about free trade.
And wondering why Americans forsook you for cheaper Chinese engineers.
But you probably still won't get it. You got no damn sense.
Same as other "free traders" like you I've dealt with over the years who
ended up unemployed and wondering what the **** hit them.
Better hope you're working in the defense industry.

so while you're saying that americans should pay MORE for the things
we buy, the LOGICAL argument is that americans should b paid for the
things we produce. but we're not. the rich just keep sucking up all
the money for themselves


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you with a 2X4.
You proved that in this, probably the most lame, counter-factual and
illogical post you've made here.
IT'S AS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT OFFSHORING OF JOBS IS THE BIGGEST
DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!
And I suspect you don't, because your hypocrisy won't allow it.
You want everything Chinaman-cheap, but your salary should increase.
That's all you've ever said here. Oh, yeah. Bush. Cheney. The Rich.
You echo deplume's lib impulses in some respects, but you want to nuke
all the Muslims so I can't call you a lib.

go ahead. continue to blame the middle class. it's a lolsing argument
based on emotion, not logic.


I'm tired of your "middle class" rant. It's all you got.
I never hear you pose solutions, just ****ing complain about the "rich"
and GWB, and Cheney.
No better than Loogy sniffing Harry's ass all the time.
I mention how Obama created 6000 "middle class" green energy jobs
overseas instead of here with tax money that will come out of the
pockets of the American "middle class."
Multi-millionaire don't know how many houses I own John McCain was first
off the blocks whining about the "buy American" with stimulus money
clause in getting it killed.

Expected you would say that's bad policy, and that the opposite should
be done to create jobs, and maybe offer some more incentives or
techniques the government could apply to bring jobs back here.
Get the "middle class" back and strong.
But nooooooo. You cry like a baby about paying more for goods, jump up
on Milton Friedman's and John McCain's lap and stick your thumb in your
mouth.
Taxpayer money to create jobs offshore - that's all good to you.
Because you want everything cheap and your salary raised.
Good bye. Won't wish you good luck, you selfish prick.
Like Kurtz said, you're part of what's wrong with this country.
Here's a parting gift if you're an iPhone putz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/bu...07suicide.html

Jim - Glad to be done with this joker. He's not even consistent enough
to qualify for wingnut.

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:41:19 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 9-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

You just proved you are Einstein, or a liar. Einstead is dead. Did
you
"google" the name of the book?

so you're telling me you don't know who wrote it, or what reagan
thought of it?

I don't care what some politician "thought" of it. You never read it, not
could you. You should, it's your (or your heirs) future.

gee. i didnt know you were telepathic. psychotic, yes. telepathic, no.

and yes, i read atlas shrugged. you're just a right winger who cant
believe someone wont accept your fairy tales

You worship at the alter of Obama and congress and I HAVE FAIRY TALES! Oh
yeah...better adjust your aluminum hat.

let's see...obama got the middle class healthcare...stabilized
unemployment...passed regulation of wall street...

he actually DID something. and you want your little tooth fairy
stories about john galt

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:23:26 -0500, Jim wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:19 -0500, Jim wrote:

actually i agree with milton friedman; free trade, so the evidence
shows, raises standards of living EXCEPT when it becomes a race to the
bottom.


Too bad for you and your buddy Milton Friedman it's manifestly evident
it IS a race to the bottom.

yep it absolutely is UNLESS agreements are, as i said, put in place to
ensure free trade ISNT at the expense of working people

guess you can't read


you can't raise standards of living in the US by forcing us to pay
more for the things we buy. you increase standards by setting minimum
standards for living conditions in countries, similiar to setting free
trade conditions. that way you're not c ompeting by destroying living
standards


You raise standards by having everybody working at a decent wage.

EXACTLY!!! that's my POINT! the elite right wingers transfer middle
class wages to themselves in the US by denying us wage increases when
productivity increases


Don't act stupid like you don't know Chinamen are slaving away at 60
cents an hour so you and other working Americans can have more toys.

and they ARE getting 15% wage increases, just like the vietnamese,
japanese, taiwanese, etc. before them

i have an advantage over you; i've lived through this type of a cycle
in the semiconductor industry for 30 years. first it WAS the
japanese...they made ALOT less than we did. they don't now.

That's how the the "rich" are getting "richer."

uh NO, that's NOT. check the spread between the rich and middle class.
the spread...called the 'great divergence' is greater in the US than
in any industrialized country in the world

did you know that?

ah. no, you didn't

Your attitude about free trade pads their pockets.

funny...about 80% of german GDP is export based. they're doing fine.

your attitude about the rich pads their pockets


the fact is that the decrease in american living standards has
resulted in transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy.
productiviity in this country INCREASED over the last decade but the
middle class got NONE of it


The fact is that anybody here with a job at a decent wage is living
large. That would be you in spades.
You're just another hypocrite who wants more for himself and bull****s
about how good unions are, and how good the middle class is - except
when they cost you more for a product that you can get cheap by
exploiting Chinese labor.

gee. all i have is evidence. you? you have rush and hannity and glenn
beck...


I got news for you pal. China is probably cranking out 10's of
thousands of chemical engineers, and no Mickey D flippers.
Maybe India too.

gee. i'm a chemical engineer. and you ever read what constitutes an
'engineer' in china? the fact is, your rich elite buddies decided to
take ALL the money the middle class made in the last 10 years and keep
it for themselves.

THAT'S why we buy stuff overseas you idiot!


so while you're saying that americans should pay MORE for the things
we buy, the LOGICAL argument is that americans should b paid for the
things we produce. but we're not. the rich just keep sucking up all
the money for themselves


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you with a 2X4.
You proved that in this, probably the most lame, counter-factual and
illogical post you've made here.
IT'S AS IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT OFFSHORING OF JOBS IS THE BIGGEST
DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MIDDLE CLASS!

since only about 20% of the US economy is export based, why dont you
show me the EVIDENCE??

where is it? or are you just spouting more bull****?

And I suspect you don't, because your hypocrisy won't allow it.
You want everything Chinaman-cheap, but your salary should increase.
That's all you've ever said here. Oh, yeah. Bush. Cheney. The Rich.
You echo deplume's lib impulses in some respects, but you want to nuke
all the Muslims so I can't call you a lib.

uh huh. now let's see...the US economy tanked in the last 3 years. YOU
say it's because our jobs went overseas.

proof? none. not a shred.

i say it's because the rich trashed the economy with their ponzi wall
street schemes

my evidence?

collateralized debt obligations were 1 trillion in 1997

and SIXTY TWO TRILLION in 2007

so tell me...where's your evidence? because i just gave you mine


go ahead. continue to blame the middle class. it's a lolsing argument
based on emotion, not logic.


I'm tired of your "middle class" rant. It's all you got.
I never hear you pose solutions, just ****ing complain about the "rich"
and GWB, and Cheney.

the solution?

more unions. better protection for middle class wage earners. tax
increases on the upper 5% who made ALL the money in the last 30 years.
we need to protect the middle class instead of YOUR right wing
bull**** solution of subsidizing the rich


Jim - Glad to be done with this joker. He's not even consistent enough
to qualify for wingnut.

gee. all i have is evidence and facts

you? you have your little fairy tales and monsters under the bed

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:38:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 9-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Bush and Cheney have had absolutely nothing to do with policies of the
U.S.for almost 2 years. The president has little authority regardless
(congress passes laws and budgets), and the VP simply waits for the
president to die - no authority whatsoever.

You need to loosen your Doctor Denton's - they're giving you cramps.

Actually, you're wrong. The current administration is, as you well know,
trying to get the economy moving again as a direct result of their
"policies."

You need to become less unhinged, since you seem to have the propensity to

bend over forward instead back.

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?


.. It's all
about party, no matter the degree of corruption. You and the huddling masses
are only livestock to be harvested. Once you cannot be harvested, they don't
even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

more bull****

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.



the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

You've got some serious life problems I'm sure. And, I'm sorry for you,
but
your completely wrong.

The matter isn't an issue of right or wrong, or even correct or incorrect,
it's a matter of experience.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

You worship at the alter of Obama and congress and I HAVE FAIRY TALES!
Oh
yeah...better adjust your aluminum hat.

let's see...obama got the middle class healthcare...

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of beggars/welfare
class

stabilized
unemployment...

By doubling the unemployment rate? He actually needs a lot of slack on that
one - you assholes buying everything Asian is the primary driver.

passed regulation of wall street...

20% of the population knows a bill was passed - no one, including you and
dip****, know what was in it. To help you even more, congress passed it,
dip**** merely signed it - the content is yet to be revealed...........but
because congress and dip**** belong to your preferred criminal syndicate, it
must be a good thing!


he actually DID something. and you want your little tooth fairy
stories about john galt

Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial handouts - it'll work! Trust
me!

Stupidity and gullibility can't be cured.

Do you know how to catch pigs?

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

even want you alive. Ask anyone caring for a person in a hospital on
medicare - the caretakers are encouraged top "let 'em die" because the
individual no longer serves their destiny as a source of money to the
rulers.

You've got some serious life problems I'm sure. And, I'm sorry for you,
but
your completely wrong.

The matter isn't an issue of right or wrong, or even correct or incorrect,
it's a matter of experience.

Right. Sounds like you have very little or are deliberately ignorant.

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.



the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

deficits don't matter
 

Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?

deficits don't matter
 

Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, "Colonel wrote:


ROFLMAO!! there are 110M registered voters in the US!!

That's an impressive statistic: 125+ million of the 110 million registered
voters voted for Mr. Magoo or Buckwheat in 2008. That clearly indicates
125+ million inhabitants are mentally deficient.

EXCUUUUUUUSE ME! I F**KED UP! I didn't count all 57 states!

57??? Didn't Guam tip over?

deficits don't matter
 

On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can count?

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:27:42 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

You worship at the alter of Obama and congress and I HAVE FAIRY TALES!
Oh
yeah...better adjust your aluminum hat.

let's see...obama got the middle class healthcare...

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of beggars/welfare
class

so your solution is to let the rich get richer and let the middle
class die.

fine. that's a typical right wing response


stabilized
unemployment...

By doubling the unemployment rate?

uh...i realize you say this because he's black. but he had ZIP to do
with unemployment INCREASES. that's the result of the rich WHITE
president bush



passed regulation of wall street...

20% of the population knows a bill was passed - no one, including you and
dip****, know what was in it.

really? ever hear of proprietary trading?

oh. you didn't. you haven't. you're clueless. all you have is your
right wing myths about the black president

To help you even more, congress passed it,
dip**** merely signed it - the content is yet to be revealed

hey genius...in the US all legislation is a matter of public record

............but
because congress and dip**** belong to your preferred criminal syndicate, it
must be a good thing!

HAHAHAHAHA...you're CLUELESS about the US yet you tell us what the
right wing solution is to its problems!!



he actually DID something. and you want your little tooth fairy
stories about john galt

Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial handouts - it'll work! Trust
me!

if i did what you said, i'd be a nice rich white right winger


Stupidity and gullibility can't be cured.

Do you know how to catch pigs?

how many brown shirts do you own?

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:20:00 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where? oh. you don't know. you just heard this on some
right wing talk show about the darkie president.

and the ass pounding was courtesy of the rich white frat boy president
bush




the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

gee. i guess you rely on emotions for your arguments.

try this. i know it will blow your fuses:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...the-day-6.html

so i have EVIDENCE.

you have right wing talk shows.

deficits don't matter
 

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:08:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The "current administration" (and any others in recent memory) doesn't
care
whether you are alive or dead, warm in the winter or starving

well let's see...the current guys got us health care

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received so
far is a pounding in the ass.



the previous guy got a massive pay increase for the rich

you were saying?

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

in every state of the union, save texas, he's legally brain dead

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, Larry wrote:

EXCUUUUUUUSE ME! I F**KED UP! I didn't count all 57 states!

57??? Didn't Guam tip over?

It was supposed to but in February (my last trip there) it looked fine,
except for Obama's picture on the front page of what passes there for a
newspaper.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless you're part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

All I asked for was one example of how a politician screwed you out of a
raise, and you couldn't - that explains most voters "thinking."

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

in every state of the union, save texas, he's legally brain dead

That would make it 56 states???

deficits don't matter
 

In article ,
says...

On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can count?

Why don't you go out and take a picture of your hour meter Harry? Or,
you can search the net for one that has 5 or 6 hundred hours and post
that next to your picture of your owl.

deficits don't matter
 

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of
beggars/welfare
class

so your solution is to let the rich get richer and let the middle
class die.

fine. that's a typical right wing response

Not at ALL! I told you, "Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial
handouts - it'll work!" That's how the Dip****s and congress have been
elected for 50 years. Pay better attention next time.

deficits don't matter
 

On 9/11/10 11:22 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can count?

Why don't you go out and take a picture of your hour meter Harry? Or,
you can search the net for one that has 5 or 6 hundred hours and post
that next to your picture of your owl.


I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.

deficits don't matter
 

In article ,
says...
I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.


How many hours do you have on the driveway queen?

deficits don't matter
 

On 9/11/10 11:41 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleBb6dnSR1oaE8PBbRnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...
I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that the
factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old digital
wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.


How many hours do you have on the driveway queen?



I don't keep my outboard boat on the driveway, except when I do a little
work on it or load it up for a trip to a "foreign" ramp.

How many hours have you on that boat you don't own?

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"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a
long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless you're
part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

I bet you're so angry that you want to just stamp your feet!

You have no stake in this country, so why do you care?

deficits don't matter
 

"Secular Humorist" wrote in message
m...
On 9/11/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a
long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the
bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless
you're part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

I bet you're so angry that you want to just stamp your feet!

You have no stake in this country, so why do you care?



He doesn't have a stake in Canada, either. He's just another
canuck57...big mouth, no value.

I wonder if he got run out of the US... perhaps just ahead of the
authorities. He sure is angry with the US.

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Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, Jim wrote:

North America. The U.S. said "c'mon in!" to Japan and Korea, and
succumbed
to Japan's and Korea's policy of prohibition of your production/output.

What did you do about that? You buy Asian, lose your position, then
bitch
about the scumbag politicians you put in office.
so here you sit blaming the middle class, ignoring the fact we simply
have no money.

Sorry, bub. It was the "middle class" that went for foreign products.
Age of consumerism. Low wage labor wins the day.
Consumer reports probably did more to ship industrial capacity overseas
than any other entity.
The "middle class" sucked it up.
Can't count the times I heard "educated" people say the U.S. would be
the "brain" capital of the world and the scut work would be done overseas.
Fools. Having been among many people I knew the U.S. didn't have a lock
on brains.
Most of those "educated" people had their jobs offshored.
Serves 'em right. They had nothing but disdain for the people who
actually did productive work. **** 'em.

Substantially accurate assesment.

BTW, do you know why there are all those Toyota, Honda and other foreign
plants in the U.S. providing work for Americans?
Ronald Reagan.
As stupid as he was, he forced the Japs to start building plants here
under threat of tariff on Jap cars.

The Asian auto plants are final assembly plants - U.S. content is minimal,
but the perception that these vehicles are "made" in the U.S.A. is common.
One must understand the concept of fixed costs, which are 50% of the cost of
developing and marketing a vehicle. Final assembly factory labor is good
considering the alternative is complete importation, but raw materials,
engineering, management, tooling, capital equipment and all R & D are
foreign. Toyotas are not "made" in the United States. Only a few weeks ago
I provided engineering trouble shooting services to a facility attempting to
produce parts for Nissan. Tooling was red Chinese, capital equipment was
red Chinese, raw material was Japanese, the plant was in Mexico. This is
common and in the majority - the vehicles are not "made" in the U.S.

That might be useful info for the yuppies like bpuharic here, but I grew
up in manufacturing.
Not talking about rubbing myself on the name "Pittsburgh" and thinking
that makes me a steelworker.
I "was" a ****ing steelworker. I ate the slag dust, got my ass burned,
etc, etc, and I've worked at many ends of manufacturing besides steelmaking.

Bob likes to think his office jobs and fluctuations in microchip
production make him an expert on the economy.
He never sat drinking beer after his shift in a hundred different plant
bars surrounded by hammer men, moldmakers, casters, machiists,
millwrights, electricians, heat treaters, plant floor sweepers, blah, blah.
Millions of them all across the country - all gone.
They WERE the ****ing economy.

He sees a few hundred cars in his work parking lot or knows his firm
employs some thousands and thinks that's "the economy."
Thinks the only reason the economy is bad is the "rich" are stealing all
the money.
Thinks that the last 20 years of job offshoring had no effect on the
economy, it was all CDOs.
He doesn't have a clue.
The reason for the CDOs was to provide fake money, fake houses, and fake
"service" jobs for those who had no longer had factory work producing
real goods. Only way to keep the stock market pumped up.

He still thinks using U.S. stimulus money to create 6000 jobs offshore
manufacturing "green energy" windmills and solar panels is just fine and
dandy. Wacko.

Yuppies have always spit on blue collars. All they care about is their
401ks and the easy life.
**** 'em. And **** you too. You're another big whiner.
A blue collar American never decided to buy a Chinese machine tool.
That's always been a white collar decision.
Here's where you and bpuharic collide and melt together into a whining
mewling stinking mass:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...35/index5.html

See the "Mike C." post about halfway down.
I can't get the the Forrant Wilkinson paper.

"It was not the Chinese or the Japanese that killed Van Norman and many
others... it was GREEDY RICH KIDS. The descendents of these mighty
machine tool manufacturers sold the family business out... took the
money and ran 35 yrs ago.
They had no interest in the trade or art of machine tools. They had no
connection to the craftsmen and their families who built their fortunes.
When offered a bucketful of money for the company by an investment group
who knew nothing about running such a business, they whole heartedly
sold it out and lived happily ever after."


Both of you assholes can look in the mirror to find the "enemy."

Okay, I'm done name-calling.
Nissan opened a crankshaft plant in Tennessee some years ago.
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/ni...s-engine-plant
Jap forging press.

The Japs are probably doing more to create jobs "green jobs" here than
Obama is.
http://blog.greenjobspider.com/profi...jobs-coming-to

GM's Tonawanda engine plant shows what the "middle class" is
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article35138.ece

"The automaker's plans for the sprawling plant on River Road also
provide a glimpse into the new GM work force, a far cry from the
assembly line workers who made $30 an hour.
New employees will make about half that much."

That's about 30 g's a year.
bpuharic should be looking at a wage cut, not an increase.
He's one of the "rich" and doesn't even know it.

Jim - Read about blind men and an elephant.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:24:21 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

paid for by YOU! Free doesn't exist except in the mind of
beggars/welfare
class

so your solution is to let the rich get richer and let the middle
class die.

fine. that's a typical right wing response

Not at ALL! I told you, "Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial
handouts - it'll work!" That's how the Dip****s and congress have been
elected for 50 years. Pay better attention next time.

well let's see. in the US the rich have been getting richer, and the
middle class poorer more than in any other industrialized country.

your repsonse?

none. other than to say the darkie president is a sellout.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:20:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

in every state of the union, save texas, he's legally brain dead

That would make it 56 states???

precisely

deficits don't matter
 

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:20:01 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

All I asked for was one example of how a politician screwed you out of a
raise, and you couldn't - that explains most voters "thinking."

right to work legislation.

so, yes, i can cite an example

and there's 15% capital gains taxes vs 28% for the middle class

so that's an example

you should read paul krugman on american political culture and how it
attacks the middle class at the benefit of the rich

you might actually learn something.

deficits don't matter
 

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:18:37 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

"the current guys" have a bill passed that makes it appear to the
ignorant
masses they they will "get something." What you got (and won't for a long
time) is a promise. Your taxes are skyrocketing - what you've received
so
far is a pounding in the ass.

really? taxes are 'skyrocketing'??

care to tell us where?

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy

let me repeat the question:

WHERE ARE TAXES SKYROCKETING??

oh. they arent. thanks. i already knew that


- who pays the bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless you're part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

the welfare class is wall street. they just got a trillion dollar
bailout courtesy of the right wing

deficits don't matter
 

Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally, culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can
count?


OK

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Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/11/10 11:22 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/10/10 8:59 PM, Larry wrote:
Secular Humorist wrote:
On 9/9/10 7:06 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/9/10 2:16 PM, Colonel Kurtz wrote:
On 9-Sep-2010, wrote:

Here's a suggestion.
Come up with some reasonable goals for America and post them
here.

Turn it over to government control of everything (your light
bulbs,
shower
heads, toilettes and on and on), freeloaders, Islamic maniacs and
Mexican
peasants. Oops! THAT was FAST!!

If you can't do that, then just roll up into a big ball and die.

The U.S. is YOUR problem, not mine. Survival of the fittest is
mandatory
and unavoidable. "Americans" are not fit (educationally,
culturally,
ethically, economically) and cannot survive to the level of
standards of
only 30 years ago.

Aside from drooling your venom, what skills have you?

How is the basement dwelling business these days?



You'd have to ask someone who dwells in a basement, *****forbrains* .

How's your boat?
He did. Hit 20 hours yet, blowhard?



Ahh, but I don't dwell in a basement. We have...wi-fi.

What's with the 20 hours, dip****? Is that number as high as you can
count?

Why don't you go out and take a picture of your hour meter Harry? Or,
you can search the net for one that has 5 or 6 hundred hours and post
that next to your picture of your owl.


I'm sorry...must have missed that photo of your boat...

One of the few disappointments I have with my outboard boat is that
the factory readouts are digital and I don't find them particularly
readable
under most lighting conditions. They look no better than an old
digital wris****ch, I think, and probably impossible to photograph.

But, at least I have a boat. You don't.

Six hundred hours? If I had that many hours on a 2008 outboard, I'd be
shopping for a new outboard boat.
Impossible to photograph or impossible to photoshop?

deficits don't matter
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:20:43 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 10-Sep-2010, wrote:


How did one fool "give" pay increases........to anyone?? - c'mon - try
to
think......just because your boat is cheap plastic doesn't mean you're
completely incompetent. Well, maybe it does.

For someone who claims a lot of knowledge, you seem fairly clueless.

in every state of the union, save texas, he's legally brain dead

That would make it 56 states???

precisely


Amazing...

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 11-Sep-2010, Jim wrote:

"It was not the Chinese or the Japanese that killed Van Norman and many
others... it was GREEDY RICH KIDS. The descendents of these mighty
machine tool manufacturers sold the family business out... took the
money and ran 35 yrs ago.
They had no interest in the trade or art of machine tools. They had no
connection to the craftsmen and their families who built their fortunes.
When offered a bucketful of money for the company by an investment group
who knew nothing about running such a business, they whole heartedly
sold it out and lived happily ever after."


Both of you assholes can look in the mirror to find the "enemy."

Okay, I'm done name-calling.
Nissan opened a crankshaft plant in Tennessee some years ago.
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/ni...s-engine-plant
Jap forging press.

The Japs are probably doing more to create jobs "green jobs" here than
Obama is.
http://blog.greenjobspider.com/profi...jobs-coming-to

GM's Tonawanda engine plant shows what the "middle class" is
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article35138.ece

"The automaker's plans for the sprawling plant on River Road also
provide a glimpse into the new GM work force, a far cry from the
assembly line workers who made $30 an hour.
New employees will make about half that much."

That's about 30 g's a year.
bpuharic should be looking at a wage cut, not an increase.
He's one of the "rich" and doesn't even know it.

Jim - Read about blind men and an elephant.

You only screwed up in a couple minor ways there.

Economically inferior countries in the 60's, 70's (Japan, Korea, China)
and
since were on track to industrialize - it was inevitable. In line with
that
progress, the rulers that many in this forum worship enacted trade
agreements that allow unrestricted dumping into the U.S. (many foreign
company facilities are foreign trade zones!!), while the foreign country
enacts policies that prevent importation. Japan is the most effective at
keeping U.S. (and other country's) products out - followed by Korea, then
China. China however has a different M.O.; a few products are allowed in,
counterfeits are developed and technology copied, adapted (or
counterfeited), including and U.S. patents are disregarded. Japan and
Korea
at least honor patents.

Concurrently, firms in the U.S. suddenly saw their MARKET being displaced
by
lower priced and typically somewhat inferior products. In order to
survive,
they had to 1) move overseas for lower their cost of production, or 2)
subcontract to overseas firms (often their competitors.) This is heavily
observed in the tool and die industry. 45% closure since 2000.

Yuppies may have moved their inherited investments overseas in a
nonsensical
effort for increased margins; but most moved off shore for survival.

I supplied the U.S. auto and sub supplier industries for 35 years,
machinery
and parts - that market is too small to support the firms that existed
even
20 years ago. Statistically, 37% of my industry remains in the U.S.

The market has gone away for U.S. suppliers - every major supplier has
moved
or formed JV's (often required such as in red China) . Toyota opened a
crankshaft plant in TN - bravo foxtrot delta. All fixed costs (half of
content) is Japanese, all capital machinery, most raw materials (MO is
frequently to have a Japanese company open a warehouse to store materials
from various foreign countries), management, engineering..............ever
see a blueprint (all digital now) in English???? That content is
substantial. Japanese (and Korean, German) brand autos are NOT "made" in
the U.S.

Free trade should be cross-trade, not dumping in the colony country.
People
that "think" their Toyota, Honda or whatever is "made" in Kentucky or Ohio
is simply ignorant, and rarely does anyone even attempt to help them think
clearly.

The U.S. is in the stage of attaining equilibrium with 2nd world
countries -
it is inevitable (and mostly already there) based upon the fed's
promiscuous
policies, and the ignorance of the purchasing public.

Good grief. You don't even know the definition of Yuppie.

deficits don't matter
 

On 11-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

Not at ALL! I told you, "Don't work, don't produce, squeal for trivial
handouts - it'll work!" That's how the Dip****s and congress have been
elected for 50 years. Pay better attention next time.

well let's see. in the US the rich have been getting richer, and the
middle class poorer more than in any other industrialized country.

your repsonse?

none. other than to say the darkie president is a sellout.

Apparently "the rich" (economic penis envy) did something better than you.
Nothing is constraining you except lack of drive and ambition - squealing
for handouts will get you nothing.

You shouldn't call the jackass in the White House a darkie, he's half
cracker.

deficits don't matter
 

"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 11-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Trillions of dollars ****ed down the drain on idiocy - who pays the
bill,
the Tooth Fairy? (nothing personal, Barney Frank) You do, unless you're
part
of the (50% of the population) welfare class.

I bet you're so angry that you want to just stamp your feet!

You have no stake in this country, so why do you care?

I DO have a stake! You clowns send you diminishing wages out of the U.S!

I take it back. You're just illiterate.

deficits don't matter
 

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:04:11 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 11-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

He doesn't have a stake in Canada, either. He's just another
canuck57...big mouth, no value.

I wonder if he got run out of the US... perhaps just ahead of the
authorities. He sure is angry with the US.

I respect the core structure of the U.S., I resent the attitude and habits
of the new welfare class short-handing themselves, then and expecting "the
government" to send them money. "The government" can only send you back
YOUR money, after they've skimmed 25% off the top. You shouldn't put up with
any of that.

well, no. they can make investments and get a positive ROI.

invested money is fungible. money doesn't know if it came from the
govt or private enterprise

deficits don't matter
 

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:37:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Colonel Kurtz" wrote in message
...

On 11-Sep-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

He doesn't have a stake in Canada, either. He's just another
canuck57...big mouth, no value.

I wonder if he got run out of the US... perhaps just ahead of the
authorities. He sure is angry with the US.

I respect the core structure of the U.S., I resent the attitude and habits
of the new welfare class short-handing themselves, then and expecting "the
government" to send them money. "The government" can only send you back
YOUR money, after they've skimmed 25% off the top. You shouldn't put up
with
any of that.

So, you're saying that infrastructure, the military, regulations in general
are skimming off the top? You have no respect for the core structure of the
US, unless you have your way of disenfranchising our citizens of basic human
rights.

exactly. he thinks an educated public has no value

deficits don't matter
 

On 13-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

perspective, you should invest, don't work, and pay 15%! Doesn't make
sense, does it? Nope - it's YOUR premise......

and why should investment tax dollars be taxed at a lower rate than
earned income? there's no reason for this policy, especially since
it's obviously ineffective, as we can see today.

and, no, investment does not come from 'after tax' dollars. capital
gains taxes are, by definition, paid AFTER investments are made and
profits are recouped.

Stupid is as stupid does

Investment comes from retained income, from which taxes were paid - you
don't get an income that you can invest and not pay taxes except narrowly
defined "retirement accounts" - if you withdraw from those (such as 401k's
and IRA's) you take it in the ass for taxes, PLUS penalties.

Investment income is taxed at a lower rate to encourage investment, which
used to result in brick-and-mortar companies to produce products where the
masses could be managers, engineers, technicians and factory rats. If it
weren't for capital investment, you'd be growing roots in your collective
garden to survive. Investment is now punished (unless you are merely
shuffling money on bogus pieces of paper and a buddy of "the
administration"), therefore you have a diminishing income. It is actually
that simple.