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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:18:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote:



Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

let's see...when did cambodia attack us?

uh...never


You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.

Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to
give
him up.


Read what I said again. They did not have a beef with the US until we
invaded their country. There were other ways of getting Bin Laden.

Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused.

We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.

Really? Where did I say that? We're going after them in Afg. and going
after
bin laden's crowd in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan. We have special
forces in lots of places, supporting the suppression of radicals. Sounds
to
me like you want us to retreat to our borders and hope for the best.

So far we don't seem particularly effective at it. We kill as many
innocent people as we do terrorists and make terrorists faster than we
can kill them because of it.

Perhaps... I don't know the current numbers, but a single innocent death is
too many.

We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the
pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not
venturing into the central part much at all.
Cite something to prove I am wrong.

Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html


Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?

That would have been Bush's doing. Obama is trying to repair that damage.

Obama is doing the same thing Bush was doing, with all of the same
people.

Nope. He's gotten our approval ratings in Muslim world going in the right
direction.


The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all
and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular
war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it.
I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war
sentiment out this time.

now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the
totality of the information is something to ignore of course.

Like I said, let's wait and see what comes out. Simply the fact that
the government admits we are throwing money at corrupt governments
that are diverting it to the enemy should make someone mad.

I think we've been doing that for a long time. Feel free to dispute this. I
think that the current admin is aware of this and I'm hopeful that that
policy will change over time. It certainly didn't change during the last
admin.

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg.

OK what is different? Petraus says he is dusting off the Iraq surge
protocol and implementing it in Afghanistan, in spite of the fact that
the situation is totally different.

I've noted the differences several times. Feel free to go back and read
them. If anyone can salvage Bush's mess in Afg., then it would be Petraus.
He did pretty well in Iraq. I'm not a military expert (are you?), so I give
his opinion some weight.