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and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11.


Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have
not
been in Afghanistan for 6 years.

hmmm...again you need to read the news.

the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting
to
our invasion of their country.

Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do
whatever he
wanted inside the Afg. border.


That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have
managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more
dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse
every
day.


Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we
have a
better chance of finishing him.

We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give
us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that
is our next step.

Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It
could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally
ignoring them in our obsession with OBL.
I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut
tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went
outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that
one.
We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack
instead of looking for the next one.


Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east.

--
Harold

Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street.


Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here?

What an ass he is.


Leopard doesn't change it's spots!

Wow.... What a deep, profound, intelligent post, my bow legged buddy!

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On 7/28/10 9:35 AM, YukonBound wrote:


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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11.


Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have
not
been in Afghanistan for 6 years.

hmmm...again you need to read the news.

the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply reacting
to
our invasion of their country.

Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do
whatever he
wanted inside the Afg. border.


That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have
managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more
dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse
every
day.


Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we
have a
better chance of finishing him.

We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give
us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that
is our next step.

Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It
could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally
ignoring them in our obsession with OBL.
I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut
tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went
outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find that
one.
We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack
instead of looking for the next one.


Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east.

--
Harold

Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street.


Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here?

What an ass he is.


Leopard doesn't change it's spots!

Ouch, little buddy!! Your nose slammed into my fat ass with such force
it hurt!

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote:



Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

let's see...when did cambodia attack us?

uh...never


You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.
We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.
Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?


The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all
and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular
war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it.
I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war
sentiment out this time.

now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

What's telling is how differently these leaks are being used by the
Minority Media. During the Bush Admin, leaks were exploited selfishly by
the liberal media who thought the more Americans killed in the middle
east, the better for their progressive, anti-American, political
agenda...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

On 7/28/10 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:41:35 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:14:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:13:22 -0400, wrote:


this is OLD news. hell, it's common knowledge the ISI is corrupt and a
branch office of the taliban.


Yet we still keep shoveling money into that corruption and killing our
kids.

guess you haven't been to NY.


And propping up the Taliban with US dollars is going to bring the
towers back?



Hell, the Bush Administration couldn't even get revenge for the 9-11
attacks. As soon as Bush's handlers realized that we were not going to
be successful in tracking down al Qaeda and its supporters in
Afghanistan, despite our overwhelming military might, it diverted our
attention with a billion barrels of bull**** to Iraq.

It really makes no sense to maintain our military at current levels.

My major disappointment with President Obama is his decision to go along
with an escalation in Afghanistan. All we're going to get from that are
more body bags containing Americans and a further waste of our tax dollars.

Cut the military budget in half. Use $100 billion of the savings on
building up a true professional intel service, and use the remaining
savings to pay down the deficits and rebuild infrastructure.

"Harry ?" wrote in message
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On 7/28/10 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:41:35 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:14:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:13:22 -0400, wrote:


this is OLD news. hell, it's common knowledge the ISI is corrupt and a
branch office of the taliban.


Yet we still keep shoveling money into that corruption and killing our
kids.

guess you haven't been to NY.


And propping up the Taliban with US dollars is going to bring the
towers back?



Hell, the Bush Administration couldn't even get revenge for the 9-11
attacks. As soon as Bush's handlers realized that we were not going to be
successful in tracking down al Qaeda and its supporters in Afghanistan,
despite our overwhelming military might, it diverted our attention with a
billion barrels of bull**** to Iraq.

It really makes no sense to maintain our military at current levels.

My major disappointment with President Obama is his decision to go along
with an escalation in Afghanistan. All we're going to get from that are
more body bags containing Americans and a further waste of our tax
dollars.


He didn't simply go along, he took the initiative to commit what, 40,000
troops.
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Me

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote:



Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

let's see...when did cambodia attack us?

uh...never


You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.

Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to give
him up.

We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.

Really? Where did I say that? We're going after them in Afg. and going after
bin laden's crowd in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan. We have special
forces in lots of places, supporting the suppression of radicals. Sounds to
me like you want us to retreat to our borders and hope for the best.

Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?

That would have been Bush's doing. Obama is trying to repair that damage.


The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all
and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular
war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it.
I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war
sentiment out this time.

now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the
totality of the information is something to ignore of course.

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg.

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote:



Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

let's see...when did cambodia attack us?

uh...never


You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.
We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.
Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?


The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all
and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular
war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it.
I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war
sentiment out this time.

now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

What's telling is how differently these leaks are being used by the
Minority Media. During the Bush Admin, leaks were exploited selfishly by
the liberal media who thought the more Americans killed in the middle
east, the better for their progressive, anti-American, political
agenda...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

You're a cretin. I suspect that you're the kind of person who would be a
perfect representation of an American Taliban. An intolerant moron who cares
nothing about this great country.

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:06:42 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:00:43 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:55:05 -0400, wrote:



Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

let's see...when did cambodia attack us?

uh...never


You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.

Untrue - they were were harboring bin laden even after we asked them to
give
him up.


Read what I said again. They did not have a beef with the US until we
invaded their country. There were other ways of getting Bin Laden.

Read what I said... they were asked to give him up and they refused.

We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.

Really? Where did I say that? We're going after them in Afg. and going
after
bin laden's crowd in the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan. We have special
forces in lots of places, supporting the suppression of radicals. Sounds
to
me like you want us to retreat to our borders and hope for the best.

So far we don't seem particularly effective at it. We kill as many
innocent people as we do terrorists and make terrorists faster than we
can kill them because of it.

Perhaps... I don't know the current numbers, but a single innocent death is
too many.

We are not doing much of anything in Somalia. We can't even stop the
pirates that operate right on the coast. After Mogadishu we are not
venturing into the central part much at all.
Cite something to prove I am wrong.

Sure... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/06/wo...06somalia.html


Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?

That would have been Bush's doing. Obama is trying to repair that damage.

Obama is doing the same thing Bush was doing, with all of the same
people.

Nope. He's gotten our approval ratings in Muslim world going in the right
direction.


The whole thing unraveled after the Pentagon Papers exposed this all
and it became clear that instead of trying to wind down an unpopular
war, as promised by the new president, we were expanding it.
I expect this and subsequent "leaks" to bring the same anti-war
sentiment out this time.

now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

Just about everyone has said there's nothing new. Doesn't mean that the
totality of the information is something to ignore of course.

Like I said, let's wait and see what comes out. Simply the fact that
the government admits we are throwing money at corrupt governments
that are diverting it to the enemy should make someone mad.

I think we've been doing that for a long time. Feel free to dispute this. I
think that the current admin is aware of this and I'm hopeful that that
policy will change over time. It certainly didn't change during the last
admin.

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

Not even close. Not for Iraq and not for Afg.

OK what is different? Petraus says he is dusting off the Iraq surge
protocol and implementing it in Afghanistan, in spite of the fact that
the situation is totally different.

I've noted the differences several times. Feel free to go back and read
them. If anyone can salvage Bush's mess in Afg., then it would be Petraus.
He did pretty well in Iraq. I'm not a military expert (are you?), so I give
his opinion some weight.

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic
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and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11.


Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it have
not
been in Afghanistan for 6 years.

hmmm...again you need to read the news.

the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply
reacting to
our invasion of their country.

Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do
whatever he
wanted inside the Afg. border.


That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have
managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more
dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse
every
day.


Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we
have a
better chance of finishing him.

We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not give
us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think that
is our next step.

Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It
could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally
ignoring them in our obsession with OBL.
I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut
tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went
outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find
that
one.
We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack
instead of looking for the next one.


Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east.

--
Harold

Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street.


Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here?

What an ass he is.


Leopard doesn't change it's spots!
Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy!

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:57:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:40:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:



You really are ignorant of history aren't you. We attacked Cambodia
covertly because we said they were harboring the VC, just like
Pakistan harbors OBL.

really? the cambodians flew planes into NYC?

wow. that's something NO ONE knew!!

The Taliban didn't fly any planes into New York either

sure they did. read up on conspiracy law.

sorry. you're wrong

.. They never had
a particular beef with the US until we invaded their country.

and we never had a beef with them, considering we were their LARGEST
donor, until they killed 3000 US citizens

i know that day will be a day of celebration for you. but some of us
who aren't nazy symps love this country

We are attacking Pakistan as we speak and Plume wants us to invade
Somalia (Al-Shabab) , Indonesia (FPI) or wherever else Taliban like
organizations spring up, even if they have no particular interests
beyond their own borders.

tell it to the ugandans. tell it to the young idiot americans who
wanted to join al shabab.

you're just not too bright

Now we have muslim nations starting to think they are right and we are
wrong. Do you really want to start a war with a billion people?

islam, like all religions, is a recipe for lame and shoddy thinking.
islam is exceptionally violent

since we did NOTHING to them PRIOR to 9/11, and they STILL attacked
us, what makes you think your neville chamberlain cowardice will yield
better results?

you arguing for another anschluss? how'd that work out for the
czechs?



now let's see....the current 'leaks' have told us nothing new at all

We will see won't we.

don't have to. there's not a siingle person saying anything is new.
and that's from the folks who PUBLISHED the documents
s

I am surprised you aren't jumping on this because they are mostly from
the Bush administration ... but the policy is the same now isn't it?

uh no. check the documents. things have changed since then

conservativism is a learning disability