"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 5:50 pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:47:11 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:13:19 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:18:26 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:06:50 -0700, jps wrote:

You think there are more rich Ds than Rs?

Just the ones with power, like Senators and presidents.
I am sure a lot more poor people believe Democrats are helping them
but if you can believe the chart Bob is selling this week, the "middle
class" got screwed as badly in the 90s as they did in the 2000s.

Oh, come on. Those are the second and third tier sock puppets who do
the bidding of the truly powerful.

They write and pass laws to protect wealth and put systems in place to
ensure that the wealthy aren't disturbed.

My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in
taxes than their Republican counterparts.

It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it?

Singling out one example is silly and you know it.

Who (in this group especially) wouldn't want to avoid paying excise
tax on a boat purchase if they could do so by mooring the vessel in a
nearby state? That's a ****load of moorage prepaid.

Being a Democrat doesn't obligate you to run towards paying taxes.

Being a Republican does obligate you to tilt the tax structure
towards favoring the wealthy.

It is a simple case of hypocrisy, wanting other people to pay taxes he
is not willing to pay. This is the way of liberalism.

In your case, it's a simple case of stupidity.

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:01:47 -0700, jps wrote:

You are rife with dishonesty. Gore isn't an average person. Is he
any greater or less than a person in similar circumstances?

When they compared Gore's house with GWB's house it was apparent who
the real carbon hog was. Gore does live in a castle (now two castles)
but I guess he is a lot richer than Bush ... from selling phony carbon
credits and being a TV evangelist for a cult religion..
That is a business that makes CDO salesmen look like an honorable
profession.

Come on. The world's problems are not Gore's fault or Bush's fault, but when
you look at who has caused the most problems for the world, that would be
Bush and it's not even close.

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:50:30 -0700, jps wrote:

My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in
taxes than their Republican counterparts.

It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it?

Singling out one example is silly and you know it.



Kerry is an all around hypocrite. He rails on about "carbon" but he
was one of the loudest critics of "Cape Wind". All of that alternate
energy stuff is great as long as it isn't near his house.

There may be some Democrats who really care about he working man but
most of them are indistinguishable from republicans. That is certainly
true of the two (D) presidents since Carter. One admits he was a Bush
brother, the other one hasn't come out of the closet yet.



What are you talking about??? I'm having trouble thinking of ONE Republican,
president, senator, or representative who actually gives a damn about doing
what's right for people in this country. The latest debacle with the
unemployment ins. extension is a prefect example. Two Republican senators
voted for the money for desperate people. One Democrat voted against it.

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:50:30 -0700, jps wrote:

My bet is that wealthy Ds are far more likely to accept a raise in
taxes than their Republican counterparts.

It certainly wouldn't be Kerry would it?

Singling out one example is silly and you know it.



Kerry is an all around hypocrite. He rails on about "carbon" but he
was one of the loudest critics of "Cape Wind". All of that alternate
energy stuff is great as long as it isn't near his house.


Yep. Notice how Kerry is keeping a low profile nationally? Tries to
stay off the radar screen.
Doesn't want to comment on much of anything going on. Plays the party
line when he has to in terms of supporting Obama, but doesn't offer much.
He's watching from the sidelines.
If he determines that Obama is in trouble in 2012, Kerry will be the first
to throw O under the bus and pursue the nomination.

CC

You're going after Kerry???? How about all the jerkoffs in the Republican
caucus who don't have a problem giving rich people a break and turn around
and try and prevent desperate people from feeding their kids.

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:56:27 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400, wrote:

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gee. why not let the GOP drop its lies about capital gains tax cuts
stimulating the economy and see?


I think we have already seen. When Clinton cut the Cap gains rate to
20% the Dow went to $11,000. When Bush cut it to 15% the Dow went to
$14,000.

gee. how'd the dow do over the last 3 years with bush's tax cuts in
place

oh. it tanked.

yeah. that's certainly proof that tax cuts help the economy, isn't it?



The Dow was $10,424 Friday and if Obama could actually create some
jobs that weren'r census takers and unemployment clerks it would be
$15,000.

Of course that only affects "buy and hold" people. If you had sense
enough to stop l;oss your windfall in 2006-2007 then buy back in after
the crash, you made a lot of money. I posted my 401k numbers the other
day and my fund manager made over 4% per year over the last 3.

Bummer about the facts isn't it...

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/...reation-in-1q/

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government
cannot create wealth.

weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth

ever hear of public education?

You don't want to go there. The public education system has created
those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in
a world economy.

Completely and utter nonsense.

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:11:14 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote:


weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth

ever hear of public education?

You don't want to go there. The public education system has created
those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in
a world economy.

uh no.

wall street did that.

virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall
street went crazy and destroyed the economy.

or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational
structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose
their skills?

I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't
really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved
offshore.

which, of course, is pure bull****

we lost 10,000,000 jobs in 3 years. those jobs disappeared as wall
street's excesses dried up the credit line that the middle class was
using in lieu of an increase in wages.

you right wingers hate middle class people so you INSIST that wall
street...filled with guys making a billion dollars a year...had
NOTHING to do with this meltdown...and that, somehow, 100,000,000
middle class wage earners in 3 years destroyed the economy

is there ANY more proof needed that the right wing is overflowing in
bull****?

If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or
Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession.

and here's where the right wing bull**** overflows in all its glory

my dad was a pittsburgh steelworker. i saw the effects of a dying
industry. i'm an eningeer in the semiconductor industry. i saw the
results of the dot com bust

but THIS meltdown was NOT production industry specific no matter WHAT
this masturbator of the upper class thinks. it was a FINANCIAL
SERVICES SECTOR meltdown engineering by the wealthiest and most elite
group of people across the world

it had NOTHING to do with the middle class at all. nothing. it had
nothing to do with our education, our work ethic, our family values or
any OTHER right wing bull**** he wants to pour out like so much sewage

There
is nothing the government can do about that.
Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with
very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer
wants you to do at work.

gee 25% of all american college students major in business. and where
did the harvard and yale and chicago grads go over the last 10 years?

wall street.

you just cant believe the rich would stab us in the back. your right
wing head would just explode at the idea, so instead of blaming a few
thousand hedgefund managers and wall street execs

you blame 100 million hard working americans

you right wingers really DO hate the middle class

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:19:10 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:41:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The latest debacle with the
unemployment ins. extension is a prefect example. Two Republican senators
voted for the money for desperate people. One Democrat voted against it.


The GOP just wanted to pay for the extra benefits, not borrow more
money.

really? then why did george bush and henry paulson propose to congress
that we borrow 9% of GDP in bush's last year?

why does the GOP want to extend the tax cuts when doing this
exacerbates the deficit?

where are the spending cuts?

in fact the GOP put in place one of the LARGEST unfunded programs in
US history: the medicare drug benefit. that EXPLODED the deficit and
they did not PAY for it

The Democrats said, in the whole 2.38 trillion dollar budget, they
couldn't find a way to cut $33 billion from something to make this
revenue neutral.
Just a suggestion, that is about a month of what we are ****ing away
in Afghanistan.

and george bush killed 4400 US troops in iraq while spending a
trillion there

how'd that work out?

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:41:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The latest debacle with the
unemployment ins. extension is a prefect example. Two Republican senators
voted for the money for desperate people. One Democrat voted against it.


The GOP just wanted to pay for the extra benefits, not borrow more
money.
The Democrats said, in the whole 2.38 trillion dollar budget, they
couldn't find a way to cut $33 billion from something to make this
revenue neutral.
Just a suggestion, that is about a month of what we are ****ing away
in Afghanistan.

The fact is that the GOP is quite willing to let the rich have their tax
breaks without any cuts elsewhere, but when it comes to people who are
struggling, they have to be funded by cutting something.

Afg. has nothing to do with denying family's their ability to feed their
kids.

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:56 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:44:51 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:25:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You really do not knwo economics if you do not understand government
cannot create wealth.

weatlh has many forms. and yes, govt can create wealth

ever hear of public education?

You don't want to go there. The public education system has created
those 100,000,000 million people without the job skills to compete in
a world economy.

uh no.

wall street did that.

virtually all those people were employed prior to 2007. then wall
street went crazy and destroyed the economy.

or are you saying that, in a period of 3 years, the entire educational
structure of the US collapsed and caused 50 year old workers to lose
their skills?

I am saying there were a lot of people working in jobs that don't
really require much skill and making a lot of money. Those jobs moved
offshore.
If you are a "rust belt" auto worker you better move to Tennessee or
Mexico if you are not willing to learn a whole new profession. There
is nothing the government can do about that.
Our universities give people a well rounded liberal arts degree with
very little that actually has anything to do with what an employer
wants you to do at work.

Completely wrong. A well-rounded liberal arts degree is an excellent gateway
for lots of well-paying jobs. You don't have to be an engineer to be
hirable.

They have business school graduates who don't have a clue how to
actually run a business.

Or a country, aka GWB.

As you are complaining about, even an engineering degree is no
guarantee of a good job, particularly when there is a kid in India
with a fresher degree and all the new technology knowledge who will
work for $10,000 a year.

So, if that's true, then what's wrong with an English degree for example?
It's much harder to send a job that requires colloquial American English
skills to India than it takes for one to hire an excellent programmer in
India.