On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:48:09 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:10:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:



it's pretty hard to say he's blaming us for israel when the entire
document deals with sharia in saudia arabia.

guess you never learned to read.


We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

and it's irrelevant. fascists like you are experts at inventing
reasons to kill. if it wasn't israel (and he did not say it was),
there would be AnOTHER reason...like our relationship with the govt of
saudi arabia.

so i suggest you stop trying to impose YOUR views on the nazis of
islamist fascism, and read what they actually say.

Let me guess, you are a zionist too. It is no wonder you can ignore
the Islamic jihad against Israel.

goalpost moving.

you claimed bin laden hated us because of israel

you posted a link to a letter, written a year AFTER 9/11 saying this
was so.

i pointed out the truth. the letter was a PR stunt. his real reason
for hating us was our presence in saudi arabia and having the 'kufr'
(infidels) guarding the '2 holy places' (mecca and medina).

now that i've proved you're full of ****, you say i'm a

JJJJEEEEWWWW!!!!

uh huh. you really are a little nazi, aren't you?

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I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it
appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush.


D'Plume. Your president isn't dumb like Bush. He's dumb in his own
unique way, however he is like Bush in that his approval ratings seem
to drop daily.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

No surprise there. Have you noticed how many Obama bumper stickers are
gone? 18 months ago they were everywhere. I remember John Kerry
stickers on cars well over a year after he _lost_ the election.

No surprise that you're a moron.

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:54:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:00:28 -0400, bpuharic
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and afganistan? guess you havent heard of 9/11.


Yeah I heard of it. I also heard the people who planned it
have
not
been in Afghanistan for 6 years.

hmmm...again you need to read the news.

the taliban just abducted 2 US servicemen the other day

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9-11. They are simply
reacting to
our invasion of their country.

Not directly, but they were certainly allowing bin laden to do
whatever he
wanted inside the Afg. border.


That was then, this is now and OBL is not in Afghanistan. We have
managed to push that problem into a country that is a lot more
dangerous than Afghanistan and almost as unstable, getting worse
every
day.


Then or now, it doesn't matter. If we can stabilize Afg., then we
have a
better chance of finishing him.

We could absolutely dominate Afghanistan and that still does not
give
us the right to invade Pakistan to get OBL ... unless you think
that
is our next step.

Why does Cambodia seem to be coming up in my mind?

OBL might not even be the biggest danger to the US these days. It
could be another group in Africa or Indonesia and we are totally
ignoring them in our obsession with OBL.
I had a dog like that once. He saw a rabbit under the macadamia nut
tree once and after that he had to go look there every time he went
outside. There were rabbits everywhere but he kept trying to find
that
one.
We always fight the last war and try to prevent the last attack
instead of looking for the next one.


Our biggest enemies aren't in the middle east.

--
Harold

Finally said something right... they work on Wall Street.


Flajim is now openly spoofing my ID here?

What an ass he is.


Leopard doesn't change it's spots!
Say what? Leopard this! Spot boy!


That's about as dumb a response as you'll read in here!
Get to work, counterman.
I was trying to emulate the dumbest person here. It's hard to even
pretend to be as dumb as you actually are, Donny.

Forget emulating... you set the gold standard for dummies worldwide.
Keep up the dumb work, counterman.

I'd be careful about calling someone dumb, little buddy, when all that
you and I do here is insult, call names and and point out typos.

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"This is not an American offensive, said Johnnie Carson, the
assistant secretary of state for Africa. The U.S. military is not on
the ground in Somalia.."


And...

"Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has
been
focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union
peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in
Washington,
who
said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American
covert
forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few
weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists. "

And...

http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/201...slamist-group/

"Obama appears to have suspended such attacks, although, in
mid-September
last year, helicopter-borne U.S. Special Forces ambushed a convoy
carrying
Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the leader of an al Qaeda cell in Kenya who,
according to U.S. officials, played key roles in the 1998 bombings of
the
U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and a 2002 bombing of an
Israeli
hotel in Mombasa. "

"That could change" ... "attack in Kenya"

Like I said we are not in Somalia.
A lot of things "could" happen.

We are training them, we have drone attacks on and off. Feel free to
bury
your head in the sand.

What part of "on the ground" confuses you?

So you believe that only "on the ground" qualifies as involvement in
another
country. Wow.


No I think you are mistaken. When I say "on the ground" I mean we have
people on the ground. That has not changed.

Ok, so in the narrow view of actually having people walking around. In
military conflict, I believe that's, umm, from the 1800s?



I am only criticizing Obama for acting as dumb as
Bush

I said that I was hopeful it would change, and from the last link, it
appears to be. So much for him acting as dumb as Bush.

Yeah he "could" be smarter than Bush, we just haven't seen it yet.
I am hopeful but this whole thing was built on "hope" not action.


Yes, we have. He didn't start a war for no reason and he's fulfilling
many
of what he said he'd do. He's not a moron and he doesn't take 1/3 of his
time as vacation.


The president is never on vacation. He takes the office with him.

Sure. Hanging out in Crawford clearing brush is exactly the same as
sitting
behind a desk in the White House reading reports. Keep defending Bush!


Or jetting off to Chicago for a date with your wife?
Taking the kids to the beach?

Look at the time difference. There's a big difference between taking a few
days here and there from spending 1/3 of your time away from the office. Do
you really believe it's equivalent? Do you think you would keep your job if
you did such a thing?

No
None of them are on vacation. That colonel with the launch codes is
still a few feet away, the president brought a communication system
that rivals the data center at AOL and he never really gets very far
from his staff.

Yeah, and he gets to meet with Congressional leaders by what? flying them
out there on the public dime? Sorry, but Bush was a lazy ass. He let Cheney
do the work, and this is what we got... an economy in the ****ter, two wars,
and a trashed environment, not to mention world-wide condemnation.

We have been in Korea for almost 60 years and things are worse now
than they were in 1953.


?? In 1953 we were still actively fighting, at least through the first
half
of the year. How many US troops have died fighting N. Koreans this
year?


In 1953 big Kim did not have a nuke and he didn't sink any ships.

And, how many US troops have died?? Why don't you blame Clinton for the
nukes and the ship sinking...


You keep ignoring what I write and answering a question I didn't ask.
I will rephrase and ask you again
Do you think things are significantly better in Korea than they were
on July 27. 1953?

Yes. No US troops are dying.


So you don't think Kim moving from WWII Soviet surplus Nagant rifles
and a few aging migs to a nuke and a missile that they tested by
shooting over Japan is troubling?
That is not a worse situation? In spite of us keeping 50,000 troops
there for 57 years. Did we make it better or worse. If we had just
come home, they would have finished their civil war and followed the
Chinese example of joining the world.


I do think it's troubling, but since you're insistent about the specifics of
military adventure, no deaths have occurred this year.

As I said, we've pretty much kept the peace. They claim a lot, but they do
very little.

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:24:08 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:48:09 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:10:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:



it's pretty hard to say he's blaming us for israel when the entire
document deals with sharia in saudia arabia.

guess you never learned to read.


We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

and it's irrelevant. fascists like you are experts at inventing
reasons to kill. if it wasn't israel (and he did not say it was),
there would be AnOTHER reason...like our relationship with the govt of
saudi arabia.

so i suggest you stop trying to impose YOUR views on the nazis of
islamist fascism, and read what they actually say.

Let me guess, you are a zionist too. It is no wonder you can ignore
the Islamic jihad against Israel.

goalpost moving.

you claimed bin laden hated us because of israel

you posted a link to a letter, written a year AFTER 9/11 saying this
was so.

i pointed out the truth. the letter was a PR stunt. his real reason
for hating us was our presence in saudi arabia and having the 'kufr'
(infidels) guarding the '2 holy places' (mecca and medina).

now that i've proved you're full of ****, you say i'm a

JJJJEEEEWWWW!!!!


There is a significant difference between being a Jew and being a
Zionist. If you don't understand that then it makes sense why you
don't understand the jihad.
You posted a letter from 5 years before the 9-11 attack and I posted
one from shortly thereafter. Why is yours more valid? Yours came from
the time that the US government didn't even think Bin Laden was worth
picking up when Sudan offered him up on a silver platter.
How big a mistake was that?


Sudan did not offer him up on a "silver platter." That's right-wing
nonsense.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200406220008

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He goes farther to say
Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the
Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the
hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq.

This is about Israel, get over it.

which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel,

He says "palestine" That is Israel
The Zionists are the Israelis
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

The Great Game has been going on for a long time in the middle east
region.
We already messed with countries in South America, so there goes that
argument.


We have let Chavez go on unmolested for years. The last one we really
smacked around was Noriaga since that whole Contra thing.
Would Nigeria work for you, they one of are our other big oil
suppliers with a broken government..

Hell there is a prince there who has a half billion he is hiding from
the corrupt government and I am helping him get it to the US (for a
big cut) ;-)

We supply all sorts of money for SA countries. We've overthrown gov'ts
there.

Funny.. I got the same letter! Perhaps we can split it. LOL

Well, actually, you should do it. I'm out of here on Wednesday morning for
10 days. I might return a boat owner, but I'm trying to dampen down that
urge.

On 7/30/10 2:27 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:24:08 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:48:09 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:10:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:



it's pretty hard to say he's blaming us for israel when the entire
document deals with sharia in saudia arabia.

guess you never learned to read.


We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

and it's irrelevant. fascists like you are experts at inventing
reasons to kill. if it wasn't israel (and he did not say it was),
there would be AnOTHER reason...like our relationship with the govt of
saudi arabia.

so i suggest you stop trying to impose YOUR views on the nazis of
islamist fascism, and read what they actually say.

Let me guess, you are a zionist too. It is no wonder you can ignore
the Islamic jihad against Israel.

goalpost moving.

you claimed bin laden hated us because of israel

you posted a link to a letter, written a year AFTER 9/11 saying this
was so.

i pointed out the truth. the letter was a PR stunt. his real reason
for hating us was our presence in saudi arabia and having the 'kufr'
(infidels) guarding the '2 holy places' (mecca and medina).

now that i've proved you're full of ****, you say i'm a

JJJJEEEEWWWW!!!!


There is a significant difference between being a Jew and being a
Zionist. If you don't understand that then it makes sense why you
don't understand the jihad.
You posted a letter from 5 years before the 9-11 attack and I posted
one from shortly thereafter. Why is yours more valid? Yours came from
the time that the US government didn't even think Bin Laden was worth
picking up when Sudan offered him up on a silver platter.
How big a mistake was that?


Sudan did not offer him up on a "silver platter." That's right-wing
nonsense.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200406220008


That particular story has been circulating on right-wing media outlets
for years. Only morons like "Tosk" would believe it.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:51:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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He goes farther to say
Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the
Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the
hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq.

This is about Israel, get over it.

which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel,

He says "palestine" That is Israel
The Zionists are the Israelis
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

The Great Game has been going on for a long time in the middle east
region.
We already messed with countries in South America, so there goes that
argument.


We have let Chavez go on unmolested for years. The last one we really
smacked around was Noriaga since that whole Contra thing.
Would Nigeria work for you, they one of are our other big oil
suppliers with a broken government..

Hell there is a prince there who has a half billion he is hiding from
the corrupt government and I am helping him get it to the US (for a
big cut) ;-)

We supply all sorts of money for SA countries. We've overthrown gov'ts
there.

Funny.. I got the same letter! Perhaps we can split it. LOL

Well, actually, you should do it. I'm out of here on Wednesday morning for
10 days. I might return a boat owner, but I'm trying to dampen down that
urge.



Tootles. Have fun and don't do anything I wouldn't do. Don't come back to
rec.boats without a new boat or at least a share in one.

--
Me

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:51:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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He goes farther to say
Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the
Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the
hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq.

This is about Israel, get over it.

which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel,

He says "palestine" That is Israel
The Zionists are the Israelis
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

The Great Game has been going on for a long time in the middle east
region.
We already messed with countries in South America, so there goes that
argument.


We have let Chavez go on unmolested for years. The last one we really
smacked around was Noriaga since that whole Contra thing.
Would Nigeria work for you, they one of are our other big oil
suppliers with a broken government..

Hell there is a prince there who has a half billion he is hiding from
the corrupt government and I am helping him get it to the US (for a
big cut) ;-)

We supply all sorts of money for SA countries. We've overthrown gov'ts
there.

Funny.. I got the same letter! Perhaps we can split it. LOL

Well, actually, you should do it. I'm out of here on Wednesday morning
for 10 days. I might return a boat owner, but I'm trying to dampen down
that urge.



Tootles. Have fun and don't do anything I wouldn't do. Don't come back to
rec.boats without a new boat or at least a share in one.

--
Me - stupid



Whatever you say stupid.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:51:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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He goes farther to say
Crusaders alliance and their collaborators; to the extent that the
Muslims blood became the cheapest and their wealth as loot in the
hands of the enemies. Their blood was spilled in Palestine and Iraq.

This is about Israel, get over it.

which, i suppose, is why he doesnt mention israel,

He says "palestine" That is Israel
The Zionists are the Israelis
Why is that so hard for you to understand?

We can debate whether our support of Israel is worth the price but
let's not minimize the cost or the fact that it is the only reason we
are in the middle east. If this was just about oil we would have
invaded Venezuela by now.

The Great Game has been going on for a long time in the middle east
region.
We already messed with countries in South America, so there goes that
argument.


We have let Chavez go on unmolested for years. The last one we really
smacked around was Noriaga since that whole Contra thing.
Would Nigeria work for you, they one of are our other big oil
suppliers with a broken government..

Hell there is a prince there who has a half billion he is hiding from
the corrupt government and I am helping him get it to the US (for a
big cut) ;-)

We supply all sorts of money for SA countries. We've overthrown gov'ts
there.

Funny.. I got the same letter! Perhaps we can split it. LOL

Well, actually, you should do it. I'm out of here on Wednesday morning
for 10 days. I might return a boat owner, but I'm trying to dampen down
that urge.



Tootles. Have fun and don't do anything I wouldn't do. Don't come back to
rec.boats without a new boat or at least a share in one.

--
Me - stupid



Whatever you say stupid.


I'm sure glad that I could teach you my refined and cultured name
calling and insulting!