On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:28:20 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:22:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

no, i lost because i was middle class. you seem to forget that there
are 100M in the same shape i'm in

but, then, you're right wing. the problems of the middle class dont
interest you at all. not a bit


Where the hell you get 100,000,000? Another factoid pulled out of your ass!
a 1/3 of the people in the us are not middle class workers. There were only
120,000,000 employed in 2008. Most people, middle class included had less
than $50k in savings and retirement funds when they retired. And that was
before the crash. Most did not lose much in the crash, as they had spent
all the money they made already.

the question is, what does this have to do with anything? the issue is
the situation of the middle class. that includes joblessness, decrease
in wealth (including 401K's, home assets, etc) and the fact we havent
had a raise in 30 years while the richest 1% have had a 500% increase
in income


A few years ago, we discussed the cost of
boats on this group. At least one person sid they did not care what the
boat cost, but what the payment per month were. They ignored the fact the
boat loan was for 15 years for a $9,000 boat. That attitude was and is
rampant in both the lower and middle class.

more proof that the right hates the middle class. nothing changed for
the middle class in terms of attiitudes. what DID change is the
financial sector's rapacious GREED in inventing new financial
instruments and using these to transfer MASSIVE amounts of wealth FROM
the middle class TO the rich by bush's tax cuts, lack of sharing
increases in productivity, etc

there's a reason the GINI coefficient, which measures income
inequality, is the WORST For the US vs other democracies. there's a
reason the middle class hasnt had a raise in 30 years....and that
reason is GREED on the part of wall street and others who control the
economy

you have NOTHING but emotion. no data. no facts. you have right wing
mythology, fables and fairy tales you use to comfort yourself about
why the rich are blessed of god while the middle class deserves
poverty

Admit it, you made bad choices,
and are economically ignorant. We lost jobs because people decided a living
wage was required, and that living wage was enough to be upper middle class
in the last 60 years.

PERFECT EXAMPLE of what i'm talking about...you insist that the US,
which has the POOREST GINI coefficient has a greedy middle class when
it's the RICH who are greedy.

you're very right wing. you're a PERFECT example of how ARROGANT the
right wing is.
No raise in 10 years, says you suck at your job

more right wing bull****

NOBODY in the middle class has had a raise; NOBODY

dooes the ENTIRE middle class suck at their jobs?

WHY is this ONLY in the US? is it ONLY the US middle class that sucks?

you are SO filled with bizarre right wing bull**** it's laughable!

.. 100% Democrat and Republican and Independent Congress peoples
fault. Not Wall Street, not the big banks.

really? CDO's went from 1 trillion in 1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in
2007

the financial sector accounted for 40% of GDP in 2007. what value did
this bring to the US economy?

NOTHING! NOTHING at all. it was GREED. the numbers dont lie. but the
right wing DOES. they want to blame the middle class even though the
US middle class just takes it year after year after year.

They were going along because
the government was giving them huge profits.

WTF?? how does 'the government' give them big profits? they simply
wiped out all regulation, and stole everything not nailed down

and you blame the middle class!

Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the house.

EXACTLY!! right wing BULL**** said 'smaller govt and less regulation
will give the free market a chance to work'

and THAT destroyed the US economy. the middle class was NOT at fault

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:28:20 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:22:20 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

no, i lost because i was middle class. you seem to forget that there
are 100M in the same shape i'm in

but, then, you're right wing. the problems of the middle class dont
interest you at all. not a bit


Where the hell you get 100,000,000? Another factoid pulled out of your
ass!
a 1/3 of the people in the us are not middle class workers. There were
only
120,000,000 employed in 2008. Most people, middle class included had less
than $50k in savings and retirement funds when they retired. And that was
before the crash. Most did not lose much in the crash, as they had spent
all the money they made already.

the question is, what does this have to do with anything? the issue is
the situation of the middle class. that includes joblessness, decrease
in wealth (including 401K's, home assets, etc) and the fact we havent
had a raise in 30 years while the richest 1% have had a 500% increase
in income


A few years ago, we discussed the cost of
boats on this group. At least one person sid they did not care what the
boat cost, but what the payment per month were. They ignored the fact the
boat loan was for 15 years for a $9,000 boat. That attitude was and is
rampant in both the lower and middle class.

more proof that the right hates the middle class. nothing changed for
the middle class in terms of attiitudes. what DID change is the
financial sector's rapacious GREED in inventing new financial
instruments and using these to transfer MASSIVE amounts of wealth FROM
the middle class TO the rich by bush's tax cuts, lack of sharing
increases in productivity, etc

there's a reason the GINI coefficient, which measures income
inequality, is the WORST For the US vs other democracies. there's a
reason the middle class hasnt had a raise in 30 years....and that
reason is GREED on the part of wall street and others who control the
economy

you have NOTHING but emotion. no data. no facts. you have right wing
mythology, fables and fairy tales you use to comfort yourself about
why the rich are blessed of god while the middle class deserves
poverty

Admit it, you made bad choices,
and are economically ignorant. We lost jobs because people decided a
living
wage was required, and that living wage was enough to be upper middle
class
in the last 60 years.

PERFECT EXAMPLE of what i'm talking about...you insist that the US,
which has the POOREST GINI coefficient has a greedy middle class when
it's the RICH who are greedy.

you're very right wing. you're a PERFECT example of how ARROGANT the
right wing is.
No raise in 10 years, says you suck at your job

more right wing bull****

NOBODY in the middle class has had a raise; NOBODY

dooes the ENTIRE middle class suck at their jobs?

WHY is this ONLY in the US? is it ONLY the US middle class that sucks?

you are SO filled with bizarre right wing bull**** it's laughable!

. 100% Democrat and Republican and Independent Congress peoples
fault. Not Wall Street, not the big banks.

really? CDO's went from 1 trillion in 1997 to SIXTY TWO TRILLION in
2007

the financial sector accounted for 40% of GDP in 2007. what value did
this bring to the US economy?

NOTHING! NOTHING at all. it was GREED. the numbers dont lie. but the
right wing DOES. they want to blame the middle class even though the
US middle class just takes it year after year after year.

They were going along because
the government was giving them huge profits.

WTF?? how does 'the government' give them big profits? they simply
wiped out all regulation, and stole everything not nailed down

and you blame the middle class!

Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the house.

EXACTLY!! right wing BULL**** said 'smaller govt and less regulation
will give the free market a chance to work'

and THAT destroyed the US economy. the middle class was NOT at fault


Man you'd better slow down. All this ranting will take its toll on your
health.

BTW.....many of your "middle class" Americans have had increases over the
past ten years. They are called merit increases.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:28:20 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


NOBODY in the middle class has had a raise; NOBODY

dooes the ENTIRE middle class suck at their jobs?

WHY is this ONLY in the US? is it ONLY the US middle class that sucks?


Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the house.

EXACTLY!! right wing BULL**** said 'smaller govt and less regulation
will give the free market a chance to work'

and THAT destroyed the US economy. the middle class was NOT at fault


Man you'd better slow down. All this ranting will take its toll on your
health.

gee. imagine what i'm gonna be like when i still have to work at 70 to
support wall street.


BTW.....many of your "middle class" Americans have had increases over the
past ten years. They are called merit increases.

more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:28:20 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


NOBODY in the middle class has had a raise; NOBODY

dooes the ENTIRE middle class suck at their jobs?

WHY is this ONLY in the US? is it ONLY the US middle class that sucks?


Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more
profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the
house.

EXACTLY!! right wing BULL**** said 'smaller govt and less regulation
will give the free market a chance to work'

and THAT destroyed the US economy. the middle class was NOT at fault


Man you'd better slow down. All this ranting will take its toll on your
health.

gee. imagine what i'm gonna be like when i still have to work at 70 to
support wall street.


BTW.....many of your "middle class" Americans have had increases over the
past ten years. They are called merit increases.

more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


No I'm not stupid. When you say that ALL middle class workers have not had
a raise above inflation YOU are patently WRONG. Don't you believe that
qualified workers get "merit increases"?

I'll be 70 next month and I'm doing just fine. I truly feel for you and you
negative outlook. I'm serious, with your attitude you will probably not
make 70.

Now I'm off to the Hard Rock casino to enhance my lifestyle.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:41:31 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


No I'm not stupid. When you say that ALL middle class workers have not had
a raise above inflation YOU are patently WRONG. Don't you believe that
qualified workers get "merit increases"?

really? where's your proof? because here's mine.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...the-day-6.html

WHERE ARE THE REAL INCREASES IN WAGES??

you scream that they exist

where are they??


I'll be 70 next month and I'm doing just fine.

when you become the entire middle class, let me know.

I truly feel for you and you
negative outlook. I'm serious, with your attitude you will probably not
make 70.

neither will 100,000,000 other middle class americans.


Now I'm off to the Hard Rock casino to enhance my lifestyle.

yeah. tell us again about all those raises we got.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:41:31 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


No I'm not stupid. When you say that ALL middle class workers have not
had
a raise above inflation YOU are patently WRONG. Don't you believe that
qualified workers get "merit increases"?

really? where's your proof? because here's mine.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...the-day-6.html

WHERE ARE THE REAL INCREASES IN WAGES??

you scream that they exist

where are they??


I'll be 70 next month and I'm doing just fine.

when you become the entire middle class, let me know.

I truly feel for you and you
negative outlook. I'm serious, with your attitude you will probably not
make 70.

neither will 100,000,000 other middle class americans.


Now I'm off to the Hard Rock casino to enhance my lifestyle.

yeah. tell us again about all those raises we got.


I never claimed that a majority received raises. It's you that claim all
over this news group that EVERY member of the class have not received
increases.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:39:34 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:41:31 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


neither will 100,000,000 other middle class americans.


Now I'm off to the Hard Rock casino to enhance my lifestyle.

yeah. tell us again about all those raises we got.


I never claimed that a majority received raises. It's you that claim all
over this news group that EVERY member of the class have not received
increases.

fine. you go show me where the data is showing the middle class has
gotten a raise.

i've shown you data that they didnt. AND that the rich got a 500%
increase in 30 years

where's your data?

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:40:34 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:55:30 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

really? where's your proof? because here's mine.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...the-day-6.html

WHERE ARE THE REAL INCREASES IN WAGES??

you scream that they exist

where are they??


The went to the qualified people who were essential to the operation
of the company.

proof? well...none. where's your data? guesswork and bull**** doesnt
count

There were also people who had sense enough to change jobs when they
knew they were in a dead end position.

data? or bull****. looks like bull****. no data at all


The real question is, if you are still doing the same job you were
dong 20 years ago, why would they pay you more? If you want to grow
your salary, you have to grow your job.

you ignore the EVIDENCE. other countries dont have this problem. we
do. the evidence is clear

you're just a right winger who herniates himself covered with bull****

"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:28:20 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:


NOBODY in the middle class has had a raise; NOBODY

dooes the ENTIRE middle class suck at their jobs?

WHY is this ONLY in the US? is it ONLY the US middle class that sucks?


Wall streets and the big banks
were greedy so they insured the loans and sold them for even more
profit.
That was criminal, but all started because government gave away the
house.

EXACTLY!! right wing BULL**** said 'smaller govt and less regulation
will give the free market a chance to work'

and THAT destroyed the US economy. the middle class was NOT at fault


Man you'd better slow down. All this ranting will take its toll on your
health.

gee. imagine what i'm gonna be like when i still have to work at 70 to
support wall street.


BTW.....many of your "middle class" Americans have had increases over the
past ten years. They are called merit increases.

more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


Why should someone get a raise above inflation? Did they improve the bottom
line? Those that get raises get merit raises. I got those when I worked,
but I also help produce increases in income. Just because you were there a
year, you do not deserve a raise above inflation, maybe not a raise at all.
If you are doing the same amount of work and producing the same amount of
widgets per year, and the cost of widgets went down, you should get a
decrease in pay. Raises are not an entitlement!

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:01:59 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:42:56 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


more incredibly stupid bull****.

INFLATION ADJUSTED wages have not risen in 30 years

are you naturally stupid or do you practice?


Why should someone get a raise above inflation?

ladies and gentlemen...there's a name for this question. it's called
'backpedaling'.

he shrieked that the middle class was doing fine. great! perfect! we
were all getting these huge merit based wage increases.

NOW that i've shoved the truth up his...ahem...nose...he's reduced to
pleading that the middle class doesnt deserve squat.

the reason we deserve increases is the following

1. productivity has increased about 30% in the last 10 years alone.
sharing NONE of this with america's middle class is GREED. pure and
simple.

we've seen WALL STREET greed. and now we see CORPORATE
greed...balanced on the backs of america's middle class

2. and this is a critical point...

THE MIDDLE CLASS IS THE BACKBONE OF THE ECONOMY.

yes, that's right folks. the right wing, as he admitted...wants to
destroy the middle class by denying them any wage increases at all

BUT when you do this, you wind up with a middle class that has NO
spending power. consumer spending accounts for about 70% of GDP

you right wingers want ALL the money to go to the rich without
realizing that, when you do this, you destroy 70% of the GDP

THEN you're shocked...SHOCKED when we go into a depression because the
middle class can't spend.

THIS is why you guys are clueless. you work like ants to do EVERYTHING
to destroy middle class wage earners THEN cant understand when
consumers stop spending!!


Did they improve the bottom
line? Those that get raises get merit raises. I got those when I worked,
but I also help produce increases in income. Just because you were there a
year, you do not deserve a raise above inflation, maybe not a raise at all.
If you are doing the same amount of work and producing the same amount of
widgets per year, and the cost of widgets went down, you should get a
decrease in pay. Raises are not an entitlement!

you keep bleating on with your bizarre cult questions as if what I am
doing affects 100,000,000 other americans.

face it rush-boy. the middle class is being wrecked by exactly the
policies you advocate.

and it blows your fuses to see that the middle class cant spend, and
cant drive the economy because we have no money

it's quite straightforward to anyone but the far right