On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:29:25 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:04:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

That doesn't make any sense. If you want to worry about something,
worry about supporting the lazy ****s who don't want to work.

you mean the wall street hedgefund managers?

Those guys work a lot harder than you do.

HAHAHHHAHAHA!!!! that's a GREAT GAG!!! you sure know how to spin
'em!!


12 hour days and 6 or 7 day
weeks are not uncommon.

bull****. and what makes you think i dont work 12 hour days, on call,
etc.

you really are full of ****


The thing most people do not understand is how
hard rich people work to get rich and stay rich.
Greed is a real slave master.

yeah it's hard work to steal a billion dollars.


most people work 12 - 14 hour days for 40 years and get nothing.

your rich wall street pals work 5 years and get a billion while
contributing NOTHING to the US.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:04:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:58:58 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

bull****. and what makes you think i dont work 12 hour days, on call,
etc.

you really are full of ****

"on call" is not really working but I understand what you are saying.
When I was "on call" I was on the clock or I was not going to answer
the phone. There are laws about that.

If you are really working that hard and your employer is not rewarding
you with more money QUIT!

gee. and do what for a job?

It sounds like you would make more money (hourly) at WalMart.

it's getting to that point for EVERYONE in the US. you right wingers
are like the frogs in boiling water


You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

Get the rest of the engineers
who work with you to demand more money or walk. If you really believe
in unions, you need to be willing to strike and take the pain.

the right winers have the bases covered. they destroyed the ability to
form unions in the US

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:24:10 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

let me type this slowly so you can read it

NO

ONE

IN the MIDDLE CLASS has had a raise in 30 years

so, then, right whiner...tell me. do you think i'm 100,000,000
americans?

because NONE OF US has h ad a raise you blithering idiot.

i dont know how many ways i can tell you that. i'm just concluding
you're too stupid to read


I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.

golly. i grew up in the steel town of pittsburgh

nah. we had no unions there...


BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

and, of course, NAFTA was negotiated by george bush.

and, yes, unions will work just fine. they work in the EU where german
workers are heavily unionized and they have a competitive export
oriented economy

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.
BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

Thanks for the perspective.

On 22/07/2010 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.
BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

Thanks for the perspective.


It was an education. I went to several Joint Council 65 summer outings
at the Lake of the Ozarks. Seeing these old guys who were building a
union during a depression talk about "old times" will really give you
perspective. That was when unions actually dealt with employer abuses
of the employees instead of the other way around.

Today you have to worry about union abuses to the employee.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 22/07/2010 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.
BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

Thanks for the perspective.


It was an education. I went to several Joint Council 65 summer outings
at the Lake of the Ozarks. Seeing these old guys who were building a
union during a depression talk about "old times" will really give you
perspective. That was when unions actually dealt with employer abuses
of the employees instead of the other way around.

Today you have to worry about union abuses to the employee.

--

Government has liberals, idealists and lawyers, but where is the common
sense?

You're a moron... nothing new.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:24:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Today you have to worry about union abuses to the employee.

since the US has no unions, your tin foil hat paranoia is noted

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:07:36 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:29:12 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

You keep talking about unions, form one.

in the US you can't form a union without getting fired.

You missed the whole concept of unions. The point used to be that the
workers were so important to the operation that you couldn't fire them
all. Are you saying that you are so expendable that if your whole
office walked out, the company could replace you immediately?
We may be touching on why you haven't had a raise in 30 years.

I know the world thinks unions are all just take but I grew up around
the people who built the Teamsters union (yes I knew Hoffa) and there
was a lot of pain in that process.
BTW the biggest union busters in government were democrats.
I also understand in a NAFTA/GATT world, unions are not really going
to work until you can organize China, India, Mexico and Vietnam. It is
not an American problem.

Thanks for the perspective.


It was an education. I went to several Joint Council 65 summer outings
at the Lake of the Ozarks. Seeing these old guys who were building a
union during a depression talk about "old times" will really give you
perspective. That was when unions actually dealt with employer abuses
of the employees instead of the other way around.

You don't believe that there are major employer abuses still going on?
Perhaps they're not clubbing people, but bad things still go on.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:20:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:09:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

It was an education. I went to several Joint Council 65 summer outings
at the Lake of the Ozarks. Seeing these old guys who were building a
union during a depression talk about "old times" will really give you
perspective. That was when unions actually dealt with employer abuses
of the employees instead of the other way around.

You don't believe that there are major employer abuses still going on?
Perhaps they're not clubbing people, but bad things still go on.

I certainly think the unions abuse the American public and business
more than business abuses employees

since there are no unions n the US this is simply wrong

and given the fact companies regularly kill their workers...for
example, BP just killed 15 workers in houston 3 years ago...where's
your proof?

.. There are plenty of laws to
protect employees these days.

bull****. like what?

Unions tend to drive up cost and lower quality.

gee. the germans have a world class export based economy that's
HEAVILY unionized.

the US, with NO unions, is not.

more right wing bull****

These days the
strongest unions are in government and education and that is very
apparent when you see how that is working out.

like I said there are no unions in the US

We spend more on education than any other country in the world with
some of the worst outcomes. K-12 in my county spends almost $20,000
per student.

gee. we spend more on healthcare too, and it's non unionized yet you
think it's perfect because it's free market.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:45:47 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:13:42 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


. There are plenty of laws to
protect employees these days.

bull****. like what?

For your example above OSHA

which, i suppose, is why companies can kill workers and get a slap on
the wrist.

funny how companies destroyed unions in the US and we have the most
inequitable income structure in the industrialiized world.

doesnt do much for the right wing bull**** that american workers earn
the fruits of their labors