On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.



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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.

Peter

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.

We'll see. Much will depend on design and marketing.
Air Jordans have become more affordable over the years, while
maintaining quality.
I love that shoe.
OTOH, you couldn't give the original Earth Shoes away.
We quit offering them long ago.
No matter what the claimed orthopedic advantage (still disputed)
customers were immediately turned off by their appearance.
Who wants to walk uphill all the time?

Peter

On 4/18/10 1:45 PM, Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.

We'll see. Much will depend on design and marketing.
Air Jordans have become more affordable over the years, while
maintaining quality.
I love that shoe.
OTOH, you couldn't give the original Earth Shoes away.
We quit offering them long ago.
No matter what the claimed orthopedic advantage (still disputed)
customers were immediately turned off by their appearance.
Who wants to walk uphill all the time?

Peter


If you are referring to the original Kalso Earth Shoes, I thought the
company that produced them was long, long gone. I owned a pair of Kalso
Earth Boots, and I thought they were terrific. They were good sellers in
markets where literacy was high.

BTW, which long-time poster here are you really?



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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On 4/18/10 1:45 PM, Peter (Yes, that one) wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.

We'll see. Much will depend on design and marketing.
Air Jordans have become more affordable over the years, while
maintaining quality.
I love that shoe.
OTOH, you couldn't give the original Earth Shoes away.
We quit offering them long ago.
No matter what the claimed orthopedic advantage (still disputed)
customers were immediately turned off by their appearance.
Who wants to walk uphill all the time?

Peter


If you are referring to the original Kalso Earth Shoes, I thought the
company that produced them was long, long gone. I owned a pair of Kalso
Earth Boots, and I thought they were terrific. They were good sellers in
markets where literacy was high.

BTW, which long-time poster here are you really?

Mr. HK, I only recently stumbled upon this newsgroup.
Perhaps you missed my posting of who I am, and my family history.
I don't know if Kalso still exists as the original company, but I did
carry their Earth shoes in a few flavors many years ago.
They bombed severely.
That store had typical middle and working class clientèle.
I thought them literate enough.
But I do not test my customers in any way, except for what can lead me
to fit them with a shoe that will make them happy.
That, my friend, is the secret of sales success.
Respect your customer, and do right by them.
By the way, I actually still move penny loafers, even those of
relatively low quality.
Earth shoes? Sold 3 pairs in a full year of display.
Actually had browsers in the mall stop by to laugh at them.
I felt I was working in the "Scotch Tape Boutique," if you happen to be
familiar with that SNL skit.
I was quite happy when we dropped that line.

Peter

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.


We'll see won't we. Perhaps you should lobby your representative to repeal
it.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:07:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:41:09 -0500, "Peter (Yes, that one)"
wrote:

You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all.
It
isn't.

I believe you are right.
As different parts of the health care bill go into effect, pricing will
change due to market forces and tax burden.
I see this in the shoe business all the time.
The marketplace at work.
It is as old as humanity.


I just think this bill is trying to shove a size 12 foot into a size 7
shoe. It was designed to fail and it will.


We'll see won't we. Perhaps you should lobby your representative to repeal
it.

We all know that will never happen. The question is, what will the
real program look like. This is just a token move so they can say they
established a framework. This patchwork of politically doable things
will fail. Let's see what they end up doing in the long run.


The bill isn't designed to fail. That's just posturing. You have to start
somewhere. They started with what's politically doable now. That's how
things get done.

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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.




And what if it takes 10 years and 20 bills and it is still screwed up? Why
pass such a flawed bill?

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.




And what if it takes 10 years and 20 bills and it is still screwed up?
Why pass such a flawed bill?



What if it takes 10 years and finally is near universal coverage and costs
are lower? Oh wait, the sky is falling....

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On 4/18/10 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:04:35 -0400,
wrote:

On 4/18/10 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:16:47 -0400, wrote:

obama care will reduce costs, cover everybody, reduce mortality,

How will that happen? He did absolutely nothing to reduce costs. The
drug industry is unfettered, the medical conglomerates were not
touched and the insurance companies just got 15 million new customers
at the point of a government gun with no meaningful restriction of
what they could charge them.


You seem to think what was recently passed is the be-all and end-all. It
isn't.

To the contrary,
I doubt it was much more than a symbolic victory for the Democrats.
If anything it is part of a long term plan to destroy the insurance
industry and substitute that public plan the democrats want. The only
problem with that idea is we would then have to bail out insurance
company workers. Nobody really wants to cut into 17% of the economy,
no matter how hard they rail against it.

I am entirely in favor of destroying the health insurance industry, and
replacing it with a system whose primary consideration is the best
outcome for patients.


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The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.