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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:57:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class
americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell
us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's.

i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from
newsnet
and
look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The
all
have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for
free.
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to
education.

Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to
Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the
internet
in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount
brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's
and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start.

No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't
other peoples problems.

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The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who
pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself
with stuff like this.

If you are really watching stocks, most of the information you look at
will be obsolete in 90 days and usually it is more like 90 hours.
There may be a few books that can give you some fundamentals about how
the market works but day to day decisions have to be made on day to
day events. Part of the problem is the amount of money that moves into
and out of the market from individuals on a purely emotional and knee
jerk way.
I have what I call the "Cramer effect". If you just want to day trade,
you could make a pretty good living doing nothing but buying stocks
Jim Cramer pumps and then dump them a couple days later before reality
sets in. (use a stop loss) Sometimes he does have some long term
trends right (like PCP) but there was a definite jump and a later
decline right after he pumped it on the air. If you rode it out you
still made about 10% but I didn't do it. He has picked his share of
losers so you certainly can't trust everything he says (SHLD for one).
I knew that was wrong. He just like Eddie Lampbert and it was
misplaced trust.


Birdbrain... there are actual computers in libraries these days. Stocks
change minute by minute not just in 90 hours. There are more than "a few"
books that give people the fundamentals. You really can't be this stupid.

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On 4/13/10 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:00:05 -0400,
wrote:

You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who
pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself
with stuff like this.


In fact, you *cannot* get it all on the internet...only superficial
"students" believe that.

The problem with that idea is that a whole lot of books have been
digitized these days for the Kindle/Ipad crowd. They show up on binary
newsgroups all the time.
In fact I seldom ever use my hard copy National Electrical Code book
these days, or any other hard copy code documents. They are all online
and I have the NEC CD that is a whole lot better than a book (built in
search facilities, commentaries etc).

I do agree, if your idea of the internet is reading blogs and BBs like
this, you will get a very slanted view of things.
On the other hand there are a lot of technical forums with good
moderators that are a very valuable source of current information.


My wife's doctoral dissertation cites about 300+ references, including
books, expert articles from professional journals, research of others,
"published" or not, et cetera. She is an expert researcher and has
direct access to many expen$ive research tools. When I was looking over
her dissertation, I asked her what percentage of her "cites" she found
"on-line." About 15%, she said. The rest were found only at the LC, at
her university library, through university library exchange systems, and
through direct contact with others in her field. I don't think this is
peculiar to her field.

Her disseration, when it is published, is going to be a "blockbuster." :)

I'm not surprised "code" info is on line. It should be.


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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND
parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.



Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do
not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those
that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower
income categories pay the price.

Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism.
Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for
those other lazy *******s.

Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like
Chavez or Castro.

Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39%
instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a
moderate income.

Great logic.

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On 4/13/10 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600,
wrote:

On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND
parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.



Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do
not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those
that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower
income categories pay the price.

Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism.
Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for
those other lazy *******s.

Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like
Chavez or Castro.

Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39%
instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a
moderate income.

Great logic.


He's a doppelganger of frogwarts.

--
Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another
unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses.

and YOU have nothing but bitches.

You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does.

really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes
about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper



Excuses. More excuses. Get off a minor newsgroup and take a couple
investing classes. They are online or at the local adult education
emporiums. If you got time to spend here, you have time to learn.

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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote:

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.


Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course.


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About 50 years ago, I worked for Western Electric. In the warehouse. CWA
member. A worse than worthless union. Went on strike a while before I
went there for 9 weeks. Settled for what ATT offered before the strike.
But that is an aside. Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont
GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they
would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer
would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car
coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out
and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the
unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one
survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the
Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either
party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 1:08 pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:10 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the
most troublesome car I've owned.

I had 2 Hondas that were pretty good and not hard to work on but my
current Prelude needs a timing belt and the first line in the shop
manual instructions to replace this belt is "remove engine".
This is the kind of engineering that GM would be proud of (similar to
the old Nova V-8 that required you to loosen a motor mount and raise
the engine to get to one of the spark plugs).
The difference is, this is not some 4 cylinder econobox that they
tried to cram a V-8 in. This car came off the drawing board this way.
BTW Honda will do it for $1000.

I once had a '67 MGB GT. I bought it with a bad clutch, but got it for
$150,
which was a pretty good deal.

The first step in replacing the clutch was, "Remove engine". I know how
you
feel.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you
could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs,
first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that
I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought
it.

They were made so you had to work on them. 1/2" head stud on a TR4 with the
strengh of a 1/4" stud. Crap like that.

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On 4/13/10 4:32 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote:

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.


Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course.


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http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

About 50 years ago, I worked for Western Electric. In the warehouse. CWA
member. A worse than worthless union. Went on strike a while before I
went there for 9 weeks. Settled for what ATT offered before the strike.
But that is an aside. Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont
GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they
would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer
would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car
coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out
and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the
unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose.



I've read a retelling of that story a zillion times. Did you forget
about the ones with the coke bottle in the door? You boys need to find
some fresher bull****.



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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:54:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850.

More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US
started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept
of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the
"borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s.
I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate
made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it.

Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of
sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using
the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the
majority of the people actually trusted the government.



Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the
workplace,
smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism
esp.
in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we
polluted
the landscape.

Things have been going in a steady line better since your 1850 peg in
the dirt on all of those fronts

I picked 1850, since that was pre-Civil War. We polluted like crazy in the
1950s.



As usual, the facts are somewhat different:

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm

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I am not sure what that chart is supposed to prove relative to what I
wrote but is says 33% of the people trust the government to mange
their finances vs 48% for corporations Don't tell BP. :-)
The other truly significant chart is the last one that says 49% of
people think the economy is the top concern vs 3% who worry about
climate change. I hope they are calling their senator about cap and
tax.


Right, but the first chart in the list illustrates that most people trust
the gov't to do what's right.

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