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On 13/04/2010 4:05 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses.

and YOU have nothing but bitches.

At least he is trying to amke things better. You just want to squat and
pee expecting something for nothing. The always everyone elses fault
but mine disease.

What is the clinical name for the always everyone elses fault but mine
disease?

You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does.

really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes
about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper

You are your own limitation and handycap.


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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

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On Apr 12, 1:08*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:10 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack
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Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the
most troublesome car I've owned.

I had 2 Hondas that were pretty good and not hard to work on but my
current Prelude needs a timing belt and the first line in the shop
manual instructions to replace this belt is "remove engine".
This is the kind of engineering that GM would be proud of (similar to
the old Nova V-8 that required you to loosen a motor mount and raise
the engine to get to one of the spark plugs).
The difference is, this is not some 4 cylinder *econobox that they
tried to cram a V-8 in. This car came off the drawing board this way.
BTW Honda will do it for $1000.

I once had a '67 MGB GT. I bought it with a bad clutch, but got it for $150,
which was a pretty good deal.

The first step in replacing the clutch was, "Remove engine". I know how you
feel.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you
could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs,
first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that
I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought
it.

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On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND
parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.



Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do
not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those
that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower
income categories pay the price.

Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism.
Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for
those other lazy *******s.

Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like
Chavez or Castro.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.

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The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850.

The Canuck way, take a stupid pill every morning... just in case.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW
as
even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our
corrupt
politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy
Canadian
(is that even possible?). Or, walk.

Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no
mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand.

You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any
UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo.

So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the
content
is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin,
Lenin,
Lenin!

Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the
USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a
downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is
socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part
about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death.

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I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the gov't.
Please more there.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/04/2010 12:01 AM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:


uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments.

The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek.
The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst
performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior
peeks.

So ask your money manager why you should be paying him?

because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class
americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell
us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's.

i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet
and
look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all
have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for
free.
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to
education.

Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to
Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet
in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount
brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's
and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start.

No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't
other peoples problems.

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You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who
pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself
with stuff like this.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Jack
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On Apr 12, 11:34 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any
day.

My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to
pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and
work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect
me from losing.

so you're 25? no surprise. 401k's owned by the young have come back.
for those of us who are older, they h avent'. simple matter of
mathematics.


I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape.
It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal.

ROFLMAO!! me and 100,000,000 other hard working americans got screwed
by your rich buddies on wall street. but glad to see you think we're
all stupid. that's the typical view the right has of working
americans.



He doesn't have any rich buddies. He might have drinking buddies... might.

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On 4/13/10 12:57 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to
Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet
in seconds.

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You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who
pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself
with stuff like this.


In fact, you *cannot* get it all on the internet...only superficial
"students" believe that.

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:54:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.

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The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850.

More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US
started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept
of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the
"borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s.
I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate
made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it.

Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of
sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using
the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the
majority of the people actually trusted the government.



Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the workplace,
smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism esp.
in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we polluted
the landscape.

As usual, the facts are somewhat different:

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm

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