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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions
of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare
passed...guess you forgot about that....

HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!!


We got healthcare passed? Where does it provide healthcare. Provides that
everyone will need to be insured. Does not provide any healthcare.

IOW you dont know what the bill does

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:30:28 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57
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when it's shown they're wrong

they blame it on the middle class....

a perfect argument

the rich are never wrong

and when they're wrong...they're never wrong

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...e-economy.aspx

Notice who started the deregulation.

carter deregulated trucks.

reagan started the free market fundamentalism, as the article says,
that wrecked the economy

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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where
a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does
not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton
advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.



More right wing BS.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5


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I will come out of ignore for a post.

The owners of the Fed are those who own the 12 regional Fed banks.
Thosebanks are stock owned corporations.
http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm

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On 4/13/10 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:32:07 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont
GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they
would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer
would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car
coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out
and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the
unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose.


My inlaws were all GM and Chrysler folks. They say most of those old
stories about sabotaging cars were just urban legends but "throwing
things over the fence" was pretty common. In the Delco radio shop in
Kokomo it became so common that they just changed the policy and let
the employees openly buy a new radio as "scrap" for $10.
Everyone had a nice radio.
They thought nothing of making personal things in the machine shop and
coming home with bags of miscellaneous parts. In a lot of cases these
were really "scrap". My father in law gave me a grocery bag full of
stainless steel bolts to put my pontoon boat together with after he
retired. He had been "collecting" them for years. Basically whenever
someone took out a box of them and didn't use them all they threw away
the rest because it was harder to check them back into "the crib" than
it was to order a new box. He just put them in his pocket every day
and brought them home.

That is not just GM though. IBM threw away a lot of stuff and I
couldn't believe what Centex put in their dumpsters..



My first father in law and his brother began becoming millionaires
during and after WW II by placing their scrap metal dumpsters on the
property of manufacturing facilities in the Mid West and hauling away
the scrap "for free." They had a huge, and I mean huge, scrap metal
yard. Anyway, my father in law said he was always amazed at the high
quality of many of the items tossed in the dumpster as "scrap" at the
manufacturing facilities...

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http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57
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Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to
Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the
internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books.
And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages
of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice
to start.

No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't
other peoples problems.


dontcha love the right?

100,000,000 hard working middle class americans get screwed by wall
street because the right said the free market is infallible and always
works.

when it's shown they're wrong

they blame it on the middle class....

a perfect argument

the rich are never wrong

and when they're wrong...they're never wrong

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...e-economy.aspx

Notice who started the deregulation.



You're really not even reading your own article link...

"[A broad] deregulatory trend begun in the administration of Jimmy Carter
.... transformed into a crusade by Ronald Reagan."

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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to
the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is
where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did
the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar?
Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does
not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton
advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.



More right wing BS.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5


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Nom=de=Plume


I will come out of ignore for a post.

The owners of the Fed are those who own the 12 regional Fed banks.
Thosebanks are stock owned corporations.
http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm



You can post your right wing sites all you want. That doesn't make them
factual. Go back into hiding.

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On 13/04/2010 1:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600,
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On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND
parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.



Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do
not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those
that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower
income categories pay the price.

Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism.
Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for
those other lazy *******s.

Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like
Chavez or Castro.

Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39%
instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a
moderate income.

Great logic.

Wait until you wake up and figure there are not that many million making
people to pay 3% more tax to cover Obama's debt spend.

Because the rest is coming from the middle class, the lions share. 1%
from the middle class is worth more than 100% more of those above a million.

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On 13/04/2010 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:54:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850.

More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US
started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept
of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the
"borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s.
I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate
made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it.

Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of
sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using
the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the
majority of the people actually trusted the government.



Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the workplace,
smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism esp.
in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we polluted
the landscape.

Things have been going in a steady line better since your 1850 peg in
the dirt on all of those fronts



As usual, the facts are somewhat different:

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm

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I am not sure what that chart is supposed to prove relative to what I
wrote but is says 33% of the people trust the government to mange
their finances vs 48% for corporations Don't tell BP. :-)
The other truly significant chart is the last one that says 49% of
people think the economy is the top concern vs 3% who worry about
climate change. I hope they are calling their senator about cap and
tax.

You mean cap your income and tax the hell out of you.

Looking at the government planned budget numbers, holy crap --- they are
planing on jacking taxes pretty good in teh next couple of years. If
congress does not change for the better in Nov 2010, you can just kiss
15 to 20 more of your pay cheque to Obama and the democriters.

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On 13/04/2010 10:55 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW
as
even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our
corrupt
politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy
Canadian
(is that even possible?). Or, walk.

Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no
mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand.

You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any
UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo.

So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the
content
is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin,
Lenin,
Lenin!

Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the
USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a
downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is
socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part
about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death.

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The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the gov't.
Please more there.

I would prefer Brazil or Panama.


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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions
of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare
passed...guess you forgot about that....

HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!!


We got healthcare passed? Where does it provide healthcare. Provides
that
everyone will need to be insured. Does not provide any healthcare.

IOW you dont know what the bill does



Neither does Congress.