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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:54:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Wait until you wake up and figure there are not that many million making
people to pay 3% more tax to cover Obama's debt spend.

Because the rest is coming from the middle class, the lions share. 1%
from the middle class is worth more than 100% more of those above a million.

yeah. just like you said the economy was collapsing even though it
grew at 5% last quarter.

and you said unemployment was skyrocketing even though it's dropped by
10% in the last year.

anything else you want to be wrong on? do it now! avoid the rush

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:32:07 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont
GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how
they
would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer
would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car
coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft,
out
and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the
unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose.


My inlaws were all GM and Chrysler folks. They say most of those old
stories about sabotaging cars were just urban legends but "throwing
things over the fence" was pretty common. In the Delco radio shop in
Kokomo it became so common that they just changed the policy and let
the employees openly buy a new radio as "scrap" for $10.
Everyone had a nice radio.
They thought nothing of making personal things in the machine shop and
coming home with bags of miscellaneous parts. In a lot of cases these
were really "scrap". My father in law gave me a grocery bag full of
stainless steel bolts to put my pontoon boat together with after he
retired. He had been "collecting" them for years. Basically whenever
someone took out a box of them and didn't use them all they threw away
the rest because it was harder to check them back into "the crib" than
it was to order a new box. He just put them in his pocket every day
and brought them home.

That is not just GM though. IBM threw away a lot of stuff and I
couldn't believe what Centex put in their dumpsters..

The Fremont plant was famous as the producer of the crappiest quality cars.

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:58:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



Looking at the government planned budget numbers, holy crap --- they are
planing on jacking taxes pretty good in teh next couple of years. If
congress does not change for the better in Nov 2010, you can just kiss
15 to 20 more of your pay cheque to Obama and the democriters.

deficit is down

economy is growing

unemployment is dropping

it just ****es him off that a darkie president did this, but his rich
frat boy hero, george bush, screwed it up

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:31:56 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:



"[A broad] deregulatory trend begun in the administration of Jimmy Carter
... transformed into a crusade by Ronald Reagan."

yeah he kinda didn't read his own reference.

carter deregulated trucks.

reagan was on a free market rampage

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:36:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you
could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs,
first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that
I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought
it.

They were made so you had to work on them. 1/2" head stud on a TR4 with
the
strengh of a 1/4" stud. Crap like that.


All I know about British sports cars is the joke "why don't they put
wipers on cars with a Lucas electrical system?"
"Because they won't start if it is raining"

I knew a few guys who had old TRs, MGs and Healeys but I never had
one.

My best friend raced TR2,3, 4's. You had to be very careful on the head
studs. And retorgue all the time. They were really bad steel, and would go
in to the Plastic range very easily. You know why the British drank warm
beer? Luca's made refrigerators.

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On 13/04/2010 2:35 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one
survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the
Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either
party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.

Guess then they can loan the government money to bail themselves out.
LMAO... I didn't know that.

http://blogofbile.com/2009/07/17/gle...hs-connection/

Wow, Goldamn Sachs sure looks like corruption gon mad. Bet a lot of
Harvard in there too. I should spend more time reading up on the bankl
part of the corruption.

Looks like corrupt Goldman Sachs owns our politicians, the best loyalty
money can buy.

--
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:03:24 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


IOW you dont know what the bill does



Neither does Congress.

won't deny that. but what it does do is good.

much better than free market medicine

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On 13/04/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where
a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.



More right wing BS.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5

That page is a crock of ****. The US Federal Reserve is creating money,
not borrowing it. No one lent the US Federal Reserve $3.7 trillion in
2009 and 2010.... they created it.

Only fools and idiots think the government is raising this kind of debt
by really borrowing like you or I.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/04/2010 10:55 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan,
BMW
as
even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our
corrupt
politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy
Canadian
(is that even possible?). Or, walk.

Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no
mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand.

You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if
any
UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo.

So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the
content
is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin,
Lenin,
Lenin!

Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the
USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a
downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is
socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part
about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the
gov't.
Please more there.

I would prefer Brazil or Panama.


--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


No. I'm sorry, but you'll need to move to China. That's the place were you
can be truly free of the bad old USA.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 13/04/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600,
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us
were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich
depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to
the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is
where
a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the
dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up
Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did
the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed
out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar?
Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios
and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does
not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton
advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why
one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts,
the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to
either party.

That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line
with what is best for the average American.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.

Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve.



More right wing BS.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5

That page is a crock of ****. The US Federal Reserve is creating money,
not borrowing it. No one lent the US Federal Reserve $3.7 trillion in
2009 and 2010.... they created it.

Only fools and idiots think the government is raising this kind of debt by
really borrowing like you or I.

--
The Liberal way, take no responsibility.


Well, free free to believe Rush or whatever source you use to get your
"facts." You're an idiot. Did I mention that recently?

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