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On 12/04/2010 11:46 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:45 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:28:34 -0400,
wrote:

autoworkers in most democracies are
unionized. Even Ferrari autoworkers are unionized. *If* GM and Chrysler
are making "substandard" cars, it is entirely the fault of management.

I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.


You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions. In other parts of the world, the
relationship between the manufacturers and the unions, while adversarial
in many countries, is quite different.

The auto manufacturers in this country got precisely the relationship
with the unions that they deserved.

Quality control at an auto plant is entirely the function of management.

Tehn they should fire everyone that isn't management and hire "contract"
term managers. If they don't get with the plan, then don't renew the 6
month contract.

Less benefits and severance that way too.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 12/04/2010 2:55 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the
government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????

Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business
for no reason including bailouts. If bailouts are needed, CEOs and boards
go to jail. And I will not buy UAW/CAW as they help sell us all out
pinning the debt on the taxpayers. So screw them.

You mean for any reason, not no reason. No problem. I get what you're
saying.


I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as
even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt
politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian
(is that even possible?). Or, walk.


So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content
is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin,
Lenin!


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On 12/04/2010 4:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400,
wrote:

I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.


You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions.

1930s ?

That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later.
It's time to move on into the 21st century.

GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to
take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major
sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive
and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the
three sisters and everyone else would fall into line.

Yep, auto was at war with union and the taxpayer loses.

Say Heil Obama. Sort of sounds like GM in the mid 1930's in Germany.
You scum will support the UAW!!!

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch


Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.
Goldman Sachs

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:


uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments.

The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek.
The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst
performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks.

So ask your money manager why you should be paying him?

because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class
americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell
us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's.

i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and
look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all
have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free.
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education.

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"Jack" wrote in message
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On Apr 12, 11:34 pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, bpuharic wrote:

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.

tell that to wall street. your wife didn't treat my 401K like a baby
treats a diaper.

i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any
day.

My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to
pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and
work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect
me from losing.

I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape.
It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal.


Reply: Scary that an idiot like you was able to do it.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:56:13 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:38:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

100,000,000 americans got suckered by wall street's free market lies

and the right says it's the fault of the middle class

the right really does hate the middle class

You can't beat wall street, you have to play their game or be left
crying in the dirt.

yep. that's why the middle class had to bail them out during this
depression. the right wingers haven't got that figured out yet.

h
In 2008, when Obama won I asked myself, what might change and the
first thing that occurred to me is they might try to get the 55 MPH
speed limit back. What does that mean? Radar detectors.
Cobra stock was hovering around a buck a share at the time. I bought
a bunch just for the hell of it.

of course, the paranoid folks thought he was gonna turn loose the
ATF...he hasn't, of course...but gun stocks went through the roof as
the right wing LIED about obama and the 2nd amendment


Do you have a clue how much money was to be made by playing Haliburton
ups and downs? It was so predictable a baby could do it. All I had to
do was listen to guys like you and see who else was listening.

sorry, i don't listen to limball and his lies. it's enough listening
to palin and the paranoid right

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses.

and YOU have nothing but bitches.

You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does.

really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes
about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:57:02 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the
free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the
threat of a meltdown.

so your idea is just plain...stupid.


Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something


Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the
previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out
for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those
nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and
their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not
seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors
also.

the right gamed the system so we had no choice BUT to bail them out.
the right wrote the rules and NOW complains when we have to play by
them

Goldman Sachs

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Apr 12, 11:34*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any
day.

My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to
pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and
work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect
me from losing.

so you're 25? no surprise. 401k's owned by the young have come back.
for those of us who are older, they h avent'. simple matter of
mathematics.


I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape.
It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal.

ROFLMAO!! me and 100,000,000 other hard working americans got screwed
by your rich buddies on wall street. but glad to see you think we're
all stupid. that's the typical view the right has of working
americans.