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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Apr 12, 5:40*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the
most troublesome car I've owned. *It had more issues than the two
Explorers that came after it.

i've got 197,000 miles on mine. replaced the tires a few time. a few
lightbulbs...that's about it.

I guess you've forgotten about the two "scheduled" timing belts, water
pump, alternator, CV joints, rotors, porous blocks, etc... Not to
mention the rather aggressive maintenance schedule they force on you
to maintain your warranty. Every 7500 miles? Yeah, right.

did the belt at 155K. looked great. havent replaced any joints since
in PA we have rigorous inspection and those parts are inspected
annually. just had the inspection.

and there is no warranty at 195K.



really? my boss is living in an apartment while his house is being
rebuilt after his ford explorer short circuited and burned it down

That's old news, and should have been fixed in a recall, what, 6 years
ago? Not a secret recall, mind you, but the real thing. Besides, you
don't have a boss, you're unemployable.]]


yeah. me and 100,000,000 other americans, according to the right wing






Agree on the UAW though... they are corruption defined.

ROFLMAO!!! american unions don't exist.

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.

tell it to the millions of american workers who, without union
protection, have had their livelihoods destroyed by the greed of wall
street, aided by the right wing


But live on in your fantasy would, OK?

says the guy who thinks limball's kool aid is the blood of christ

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:38:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

the right really does hate the middle class

We're all middle class here and no one hates anybody as far as I know.

Your free market diatribes are totally off the wall. Why not move
somewhere that you might like better? That's one advantage of a free
country.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:35:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:38:45 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

the right really does hate the middle class

We're all middle class here and no one hates anybody as far as I know.

Your free market diatribes are totally off the wall. Why not move
somewhere that you might like better? That's one advantage of a free
country.

this was a great country until the free market fundies screwed it up.

and, yes, we're middle class. some of us respect the middle class.

the right doesn't

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On 12/04/2010 8:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.

And you should see the gubimints planed increase in taxes!!!

Welcome to marxism and statism.

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On 12/04/2010 2:55 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????

Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business
for no reason including bailouts. If bailouts are needed, CEOs and
boards go to jail. And I will not buy UAW/CAW as they help sell us all
out pinning the debt on the taxpayers. So screw them.

I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW
as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our
corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the
content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 12, 10:34 am, wrote:
On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote:

Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.
No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler
management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government
infusions...and so did Ford's management.

Where did you get the idea that his business is failing?

Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business.

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.

really? if unregulated capitalism is so great...

why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors
that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout.

Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a
lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar
for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle
Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM.

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On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:37:00 -0400, wrote:

what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

If your 401k hasn't recovered yet you better seriously look into
changing to a better money manager.

do you know mathematics?

do you know equities, bonds, securities, etc?

no one in my age group has had their 401K's recover yet. Stocks are at
11,000, a far cry from 14,000 2 years ago.

and average drop in 401K's was 35%. For a 100K investment this means
35K drop.

so a 100K investment 3 years ago is worth 65K today. to go from 65K to
100K is 50%.

there are no major market increases of that magnitude in the last 2
years.

for YOUNG people that's possible. their 401K increases are being
driven by the matching contributions from their employers, so 50% is
possible

NOT for a mature 401K like mine.

you're an idiot.

If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.

uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments.

The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek.
The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst
performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks.

So ask your money manager why you should be paying him?

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On Apr 12, 9:45*pm, bpuharic wrote:

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.

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On 12/04/2010 9:17 AM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 12, 10:28 am, wrote:
Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and
Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare.
You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment
decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims.

Ford deserved kudos not only because they didn't take any fed money,
but also because their quality is now better than the rest, including
Toyota.

Meanwhile GM posted a 4.3 billion dollar loss for the second half of
2009. That butt-ugly Camaro is not going to save them.

My Dutch friend, a very liberal guy, commented that the European news is talking
about how much the US news is coming out against Toyota...with little or no
mention of the other car makers' recalls. They attribute it to the power of the
UAW and the attitude of the American press.

GM issues the statement the other day their gas peddle fix will not be
out until 2012.

I would agree with the Euro assertion.

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