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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)


You're probably right. I had a friend who was arguing not to buy anything
but from an "American" company. I pointed out that most of the stuff inside
the car is probably built elsewhere and just assembled here. I love my Ford
truck.. tough as nails. My "regular" car is a Euro... it also probably has
US parts and assembly.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:37:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

If your 401k hasn't recovered yet you better seriously look into
changing to a better money manager.
If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.
I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

My portfolio took a hit, but it's doing fine now... I'm certainly not
worried about it.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:37:00 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

what happened to the 9
trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were
safe?

If your 401k hasn't recovered yet you better seriously look into
changing to a better money manager.

do you know mathematics?

do you know equities, bonds, securities, etc?

no one in my age group has had their 401K's recover yet. Stocks are at
11,000, a far cry from 14,000 2 years ago.

and average drop in 401K's was 35%. For a 100K investment this means
35K drop.

so a 100K investment 3 years ago is worth 65K today. to go from 65K to
100K is 50%.

there are no major market increases of that magnitude in the last 2
years.

for YOUNG people that's possible. their 401K increases are being
driven by the matching contributions from their employers, so 50% is
possible

NOT for a mature 401K like mine.

you're an idiot.

If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.

uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:35:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

NOT for a mature 401K like mine.

you're an idiot.

If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.

uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

WF3H, while I respect your contributions to the Maritime Mobile
Service Net, I do not respect your language and tone. It's just
uncalled for.

The fact that your 401K has not recovered is unfortunate but others,
including my own are doing just fine. I might add that my 401 is
about as mature as they get. The key is management. Did you stay in
equities all the way to the bottom? With all due respect that is
*not* conservative or prudent investing, especially in a 401 where
there are typically no transaction costs or tax issues. There is an
old saying that you should never hang on to a falling stock because
you can always buy it back when it recovers. Simple advice,
sometimes hard to follow, but there is some rationale to it.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:40:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:35:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

NOT for a mature 401K like mine.

you're an idiot.

If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.

uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

WF3H, while I respect your contributions to the Maritime Mobile
Service Net, I do not respect your language and tone. It's just
uncalled for.

uh what? if i got any more demure, i'd wear lace panties!


The fact that your 401K has not recovered is unfortunate but others,
including my own are doing just fine.

uh no. most people's havent recovered, for reasons i outlined already





I might add that my 401 is
about as mature as they get. The key is management. Did you stay in
equities all the way to the bottom? With all due respect that is
*not* conservative or prudent investing, especially in a 401 where
there are typically no transaction costs or tax issues. There is an
old saying that you should never hang on to a falling stock because
you can always buy it back when it recovers. Simple advice,
sometimes hard to follow, but there is some rationale to it.
\

funny...me and 100,000,000 american working people are in the same
boat.

On 4/12/10 6:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400,
wrote:

I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.


You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions.

1930s ?

That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later.
It's time to move on into the 21st century.

GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to
take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major
sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive
and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the
three sisters and everyone else would fall into line.


U.S. automaker policy towards unions has not changed since the 1930's.
It's still relevant.

And the rednecks are still fighting the civil war 150 years later...you
need look no farther than the state of virginia and the teabaggers.

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In article ,
says...
that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Do you want my list of stocks ?
Maybe you could learn something.


Buy high and sell low and don't listen to your financial advisor.

On Apr 12, 5:40*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the
most troublesome car I've owned. *It had more issues than the two
Explorers that came after it.

i've got 197,000 miles on mine. replaced the tires a few time. a few
lightbulbs...that's about it.

I guess you've forgotten about the two "scheduled" timing belts, water
pump, alternator, CV joints, rotors, porous blocks, etc... Not to
mention the rather aggressive maintenance schedule they force on you
to maintain your warranty. Every 7500 miles? Yeah, right.


Remind your friend of the US press going after Ford in the Explorer
roll-over fiasco.

really? my boss is living in an apartment while his house is being
rebuilt after his ford explorer short circuited and burned it down

That's old news, and should have been fixed in a recall, what, 6 years
ago? Not a secret recall, mind you, but the real thing. Besides, you
don't have a boss, you're unemployable.




Agree on the UAW though... they are corruption defined.

ROFLMAO!!! american unions don't exist.

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.

But live on in your fantasy would, OK?

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:15:46 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:40:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

There is an
old saying that you should never hang on to a falling stock because
you can always buy it back when it recovers. Simple advice,
sometimes hard to follow, but there is some rationale to it.

Yup. Buy and hold is a sucker bet in a volatile market like we have
had for the last 20 years. Take the tax hit and trade into these
roller coaster rides.
Back when Martha Stewart was having her problems I almost tripled my
money by selling the 12s and buying the 9s. It cycled 3 or 4 times
that way. These days with online market orders that sort of thing is
easy to do.
I don't really play with that much money but my stock dabbling bought
me a swimming pool, my outboard and a room addition since Y2K.

i love it

100,000,000 americans got suckered by wall street's free market lies

and the right says it's the fault of the middle class

the right really does hate the middle class

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:06:39 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:35:18 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

If your 401k hasn't recovered yet you better seriously look into
changing to a better money manager.

do you know mathematics?


I can add and subtract
\\

no sign of that at all

do you know equities, bonds, securities, etc?

I understand an up and a down market. I actually study the companies I
buy stock in.

and some of us actually work for a living. me and 100,000,000
americans don't have the time to build a country AND keep an eye on
wall street.


no one in my age group has had their 401K's recover yet. Stocks are at
11,000, a far cry from 14,000 2 years ago.

Mine is OK, significantly better than it was a year ago and quite a
bit better than when I stopped putting money in it. in 1998. (more
than double)

and mine IS better. it has not recovered





you're an idiot.


I am an idiot who is doing OK in the market, what does that say about
your 401k manager

he works for wall street. me and 100,000,000 americans. taking the
only option wall street left us, after the right destroyed the pension
system, invested in 401K's.



If they were doing their job the would have sold into that decline and
bought the hell out of the bottom. Now that the market is close to
where it was a few years ago they should be showing a tidy profit.

uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

... but it is 83% better than it was at 6,000. There are loots of
stocks like CLNE that are triple what they were 2 years ago.

and my 401k is up. but not recovered


I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Do you want my list of stocks ?
Maybe you could learn something.

i already have. unlike you i've learned not to trust wall street and
the right wing.

you're still their sucker