On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business
for no reason including bailouts.

Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :)


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On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote:

Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant.
She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over
for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again
and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM
couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union
pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and
why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months.


Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course.


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On 4/12/10 11:39 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:00 pm, wrote:
On 4/12/10 6:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote:





On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400,
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I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and
encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way.
Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly
arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished
track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other
improvements in productivity.

You really do not know what you are talking about in your last
sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial
relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its
members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the
Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and
pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their
attempts to bust the unions.

1930s ?

That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later.
It's time to move on into the 21st century.

GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to
take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major
sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive
and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the
three sisters and everyone else would fall into line.

U.S. automaker policy towards unions has not changed since the 1930's.
It's still relevant.

The union's policy against the very mouths that feed them has not
changed in as many years, Lunacy.


And the rednecks are still fighting the civil war 150 years later...you
need look no farther than the state of virginia and the teabaggers.

Yet it is still the same old scalawags and carpetbaggers that continue
to propagate the civil war. It's over. Get it?


It's certainly not over in your redneck, racist state.


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On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.

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On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as
even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use
UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt
politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it.

Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian
(is that even possible?). Or, walk.

Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no
mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand.

You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if
any UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo.

So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content
is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money.

I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or
government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for
under $10K.

Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin,
Lenin!

Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the
USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a
downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is
socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part
about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death.

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On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
news
On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy
Government Motors.


Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to
business,
you're advocating buying foreign????


The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a
Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts)

Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts
from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having
problems, the problem parts were made in North America....

Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers.
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Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so
pro-American.
USA, USA, USA!

No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in
America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist
socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard
and get ahead.



Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do
not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those
that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower
income categories pay the price.


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On 13/04/2010 4:35 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business
for no reason including bailouts.

Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :)

In the long term, doubtful. Obama talks peace, but so did Wilfried
Chamberlain.

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On 4/13/10 8:38 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 13/04/2010 4:35 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business
for no reason including bailouts.

Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :)

In the long term, doubtful. Obama talks peace, but so did Wilfried
Chamberlain.



Ahh, the point was...you are against government spending going to
defense contractors...not your idiotic anti-Obama political views.


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On 12/04/2010 9:31 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600,
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:


uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments.

The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek.
The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst
performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks.

So ask your money manager why you should be paying him?

because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class
americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell
us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's.

Guess you didn't put enough into your 401K/IRAs then. When that is no
one elses fault buy your own stupid self. See the tag line below.

i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them

So? I MAKE time. Your money is your responsibility. Second, pick a
better investment manager or do it yourself. But if you do it yourself
I suggest starting small until you learn the ropes. Or stick to safer
investments and ease into the rest.

Money is attracted to those who know how to manage it. Everyone else in
time will lose it. That is why governemnt pays less interest than
real-inflation.


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On 13/04/2010 12:01 AM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600,
wrote:

On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote:


uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000

I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine.
I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple".

that you're dumb is simply fact.

that you're a redneck is beyond dispute.

that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to
begin with.

Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments.

The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek.
The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst
performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks.

So ask your money manager why you should be paying him?

because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class
americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell
us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's.

i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's
time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them


Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn
about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend
almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and
look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all
have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free.
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education.

Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to
Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the
internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books.
And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages
of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice
to start.

No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't
other peoples problems.

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