bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.
The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.
But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings, I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.


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On 07/03/2010 7:42 PM, Harry wrote:
On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.

Not at all, had a better investment opportunity here and could see the
US economy might go to hell. And being on visa's, well, always get out
when the going is good and on your terms. Worked out quite well too.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.

Agreed. Had a buddy who worked at one and said the place was paralyzed
against productive change for the bureaucracy was like an unmovable
titanium ingot.

The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.

Interesting.

But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."

Double standard. But does not give people the right not to pay for it.
One way or anotehr it will be paid. Last I checked, medical people
didn't work for free any more than I do.

Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.

To a point. But who am I to say people should or should not? I like
leaving the People with the choice.

Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.

And you can't bring your money with you.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk



Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry. But publicised and rigidly
designed, so it is the same for Obama as it is for you. No elitism. If
Obama or rich want it better, then they pay on their dime.

Like Williams in Canada did. His province wasn't good enough so he went
to a US hospital on the citizens dime I suspect. Elitism I suspect as
you can bet you ass his option isn't available to commoners.

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