"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get
the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people
and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the
drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

I put on some pounds for the case of Cocoa Puffs I bought. Can't get them
here. I always buy Cocoa Puffs I kid you not.

I have no doubt. None whatsoever!

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.
The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.
But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings, I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.
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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.

Agreed. Had a buddy who worked at one and said the place was paralyzed
against productive change for the bureaucracy was like an unmovable
titanium ingot.

The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.

Interesting.

But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."

Double standard. But does not give people the right not to pay for it.
One way or anotehr it will be paid. Last I checked, medical people
didn't work for free any more than I do.

Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.

To a point. But who am I to say people should or should not? I like
leaving the People with the choice.

Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.

And you can't bring your money with you.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk



Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

And if hospitalized, as a follow up they send you too a specialist. An
abusive one, but available. They just **** you off, and no confidence
in letting them take a knife to you, you see someone else on your own
dime as it isn't "approved".

Pretty typical around here.

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

.. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.