On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

And if hospitalized, as a follow up they send you too a specialist. An
abusive one, but available. They just **** you off, and no confidence
in letting them take a knife to you, you see someone else on your own
dime as it isn't "approved".

Pretty typical around here.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:34:31 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:


really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

So. Didn't you have a reserve fund? Or so in debt you don't have one
living pay check to pay check?

Hell, For a good chunk of my stay in the US I paid my own health care.
(Consulting).

who the **** cares what you did? you're an asshole you keep telling me
how much you saved so you could **** yourself when the rich stopped
letting you give them rim jobs.

i'm happy you're such a suck ass. you've found a mission in life.
telling the middle class to bend over like you did so the rich could
protect themselves

congratulations!!


but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

Hell, it's 17% and climbing you America. I don't like those
"adjustments" to polish a turd.

sorry asshole. they did the same type of measurement under bush.
you're too ****ing stupid to understand how measurements are made.


good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

I like the old values better, when they are ready be sure to give them a
hand up, but not a hand out.

more meaningless bull****. every single time a program comes up to aid
the middle class you call it communism. not a single time EVERY have
you admitted the middle class even deserves to be PAID for work let
alone deserves benefits


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive

The secret to "rich" as you liberal leftists would like to put it is
simple. Spend less than you make and save a reserve fund for when it
isn't dropping money into your lives.

more **** the middle class. the middle class in your view has to pay
ALL the bills

it's own health insurance
it's own retirement
its own unemployment

AND the bills to support the rich, like the bailout. that way the
rich will still be rich, proving in your deluded mental state that the
rich deserve to be rich.


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?

Apply to Obama for a loan. See if he will bail you out.

actually he's proposing subsidies for the working poor. versus your
view that they and their children should be ground up and used as cow
fodder.


to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!

Yep, need a law to prevent immature addults having children they can't
afford to raise properly.

yep. more **** the middle class. every single statement he makes drips
hatred for the middle class

never occurs to the asshole that 1/2 of all workers make less than the
median income. apprently only the rich should have kids.

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

Didn't say that at all. Just make payments to health care like the car,
home, boat or alcohol you buy.

more bull****. how are we supposed to do that when your rich friends
raped our 401k's before they laid us all off?

oh. that's right. we're supposed to give ALL our money to he rich then
let the kids die on the street.


If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.

In the end, you will only get what you pay for. Maybe less if
governemtn overhead is added. In Ottawa, that is 25.2% GA. Pretty
inefficient white collar work.

the US gets LESS than it pays for. we have the most expensive
healthcare in the world

effect? none. our death rate is not different than anyone else's

but, that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts.


too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

Ya, and being 1000's of years older in culture, might have been better
thought out. But since I haven't lived in France, don't take this as an
endorsement of it.

so you finally admit someone with socialize medicine is doing
something right.

about ****in time.


so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

No you are. There is no pot of gold at the end of Obama's rainbow, just
taxation servatude.

we already pay 'taxes' for healthcare, moron. it aint free. and the
american worker is paying for the most expensive healthcare in the
world

more facts. run, little boy...run.


Universal yes, government oversight, yes. But engineered to prevent
governemtn abuse and health care professional abuse.

gee. that looks ALOT like what obama is proposing. guess you just dont
know what he's talking about. you just think he's a darkie so he HAS
to be wrong...


But selfish jack asses like you can't see it. Because you screwed up.
Now you want others to pay for it.

ROFLMAO!! i work for a living. THAT'S why you hate me. i'm middle
class, not rich. so to you i'm worthless.


yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.

If you look at how Obama and congress is dealing with this recession,
that is their attitude.

really? by dropping unemployment? stablizing the economy?

yes, i know you favor letting unemployment go to 25%. more hatred for
the middle class


Mine is simple, if banks, governments don't ease off of the middle
class, there will be no middle class to support their fat asses in DC or
Ottawa. You are just more deperate than others, but don't let it blind
you as to who is doing the screwing. It is the corrupt, not the
capitalists.

the capitalists ARE the corrupt ones, idiot. it wasn't the bolsheviks
who headed up goldman sachs, lehman bros, etc!!


Damn, I am a capitalist and I would love to give you a job. But I will
not be a capitalist for long if I lose money in a **** assed environment
setup by a corrupt government running a huge ponzi scheme. Investors
are scared at this as sooner or later good old debt is going to have to
be repaid and we dont' want to be tax screwed into losing money.


now let's see. in 2007, the financial sector accounted for 40% of US
GDP. every single one of those assholes was a CAPITALIST for the
middle class and a SOCIALIST for themselves

you? you think that's the way god wanted it.


oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em

You got trillions for war, and nothing for people. Funny, you support
the system that is hurting you.

who said i did? you dont even know WHAT i think about the iraq war,
do? guess you think obama supported it...


Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Ya, if providor A isn't doing good, you can move on to B or C.

really? guess again idiot. my employer choosed my healthcare provider.
not me.

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.

Agreed. Had a buddy who worked at one and said the place was paralyzed
against productive change for the bureaucracy was like an unmovable
titanium ingot.

The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.

Interesting.

But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."

Double standard. But does not give people the right not to pay for it.
One way or anotehr it will be paid. Last I checked, medical people
didn't work for free any more than I do.

Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.

To a point. But who am I to say people should or should not? I like
leaving the People with the choice.

Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.

And you can't bring your money with you.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

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On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings, I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk



Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

.. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.

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On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.


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On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry. But publicised and rigidly
designed, so it is the same for Obama as it is for you. No elitism. If
Obama or rich want it better, then they pay on their dime.

Like Williams in Canada did. His province wasn't good enough so he went
to a US hospital on the citizens dime I suspect. Elitism I suspect as
you can bet you ass his option isn't available to commoners.

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