The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks! And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

For Obama and democrats, it is about the revenue stream. They want the
health care money in government pockets, then dumb down the services and
government profits. A sneaky way to make you more dependant on
government and tax you more.

Don't let Obama's watered down BS fool you, make sure November 2010
counts and get rid of corrupt congressional idiots and the corrupted
senators.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

Cancer patient must pay for drug needed to keep him alive

Kent Pankow lives in Edmonton, in a province and a country that is
trying to either kill him or bankrupt him.

No sense mincing words.

Suffering from brain cancer, Kent Pankow was literally forced to go to
the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. for lifesaving surgery — at a cost
to family and friends of $106,000 — after the health-care system in
Alberta left him hanging in bureaucratic limbo for 16 crucial days, his
tumour meanwhile migrating to an unreachable part of the brain, while it
dithered over his case file, ultimately deciding he was not surgery worthy.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

Kent Pankow, as it turns out, has the right disease but he has it in the
wrong place.

Had he lung cancer, breast cancer, or colon cancer, then the cost of the
drug — $4,555 per treatment, two times a month — would be totally
covered by Alberta’s version of OHIP.

But he doesn’t.

And so he is not only a victim of brain cancer, he is also a victim of
arbitrary discrimination.

Full disclosure. Kent Pankow, a 40-year-old Red Seal sous chef, is a son
of the man who married the spouse of my late brother. And it was while
vacationing with them at their winter home in Los Cabos, Mexico,
recently that this story began to unfold back in their home province of
Alberta.

But do not think, even for a moment, that this could never happen in
Toronto or other parts of Ontario.

Our supposedly universal federal health care system, the pride of most
Canadians and the political struggle of America, is only as good as the
length of the waiting line and whether you have the right disease at the
right time.

After writing more than 150 letters to everyone from the prime minister
to virtually all health authorities both federal and provincial, and
being ignored in return, Kent Pankow’s wife, Deborah Hurford, decided to
finally go public.

CTV Edmonton did a major feature on the family’s plight on the 6 o’clock
news and, almost before the program ended, Alberta’s health and wellness
minister, Gene Zwozdesky, was on the phone to their home — ensuring
himself some positive press in the followup that aired later that night.

Then, when he heard the Pankows had filed a human rights complaint
against the province, justifiably citing medicare-based discrimination,
Zwozdesky suddenly went mute — stating he could no longer discuss the
matter publicly.

Ten years ago, when first diagnosed with a glioblastoma multiforme brain
tumour (GBM), Kent Pankow was given five years to live.

After beating it down once, however, with his first surgery having been
performed in Alberta, he spent nearly seven years in remission until the
cancer’s return in 2008.

And he is not prepared to give up.

“He’s a fighter,” says his wife, admitting, however, that the cost of
the drug has been a significant drain on friends and family who have not
only donated large sums of their own money, but have also organized
fundraisers to keep hope alive, including school penny drives.

“When Kent goes for his Avastin IV injection, he sits next to patients
who receive the same drug for free because they have another type of
cancer — like colon cancer,” Hurford says.

“Brain tumour patients deserve the same rights as other cancer patients,
including access to the same lifesaving treatments — and without
additional costs.

“I can’t begin to tell you how frustrated, angry, disgusted and appalled
I am with both the Alberta health system and the individuals within the
system who continue to perpetuate such an archaic and inhumane approach
to the treatment of patients.” she says. “It seems like they are doing
everything in their power to ensure that Kent succumbs to an early and
unnecessary death.”

“The Avastin is working. The size of the remaining tumour has remained
static since October,” she says.

“But how can anyone afford almost $10,000 a month for a drug — even if
it is saving a loved one’s life?”

When Alberta health minister Gene Zwozdesky called the Pankow home on
the night CTV Edmonton aired its story, he purportedly blamed the feds,
namely Health Canada, for deciding what drugs are covered, and for what.

Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq, however, in a letter to Deborah
Hurford, wrote that “while Health Canada is responsible for the market
authorization of drug products, the province and territorial governments
are responsible for managing the list of drugs for which public
reimbursement from government drug plans is available.”

This, too, is passing the buck.

What Aglukkaq would not explain to Hurford — citing confidentiality —
was why Avastin received a notice of compliance from Health Canada for
other forms of cancer, but not yet for brain cancer as in the United States.

Nor would she offer any information regarding any application before her
department for the use of Avastin in the treatment of brain tumours.

“Based on Kent’s MRI’s and radiology reports, and analysis by his
surgeon at the Mayo Clinic, Avastin is playing a key role in stabilizing
Kent’s tumour,” says Hurford.

“Without it, Kent’s tumour will grow and he will die.

“So why then,” asks Hurford, “is (everyone) choosing not to help Kent
and other brain tumour patients who are forced to go public with their
private health issues and fundraise for their lifesaving medical treatments?

“Where is the dignity in that?”
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?


And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?


The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.


----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.
..

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..


HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about
being to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and
even Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have
the equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell
am I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government
coverage is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we
pay aome $2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government
does not cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time
we don't have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did. Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.


You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.


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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.
The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.
But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

On 07/03/2010 2:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did. Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.

Was there last fall, no issues.

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On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

So. Didn't you have a reserve fund? Or so in debt you don't have one
living pay check to pay check?

Hell, For a good chunk of my stay in the US I paid my own health care.
(Consulting).

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

Hell, it's 17% and climbing you America. I don't like those
"adjustments" to polish a turd.

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

I like the old values better, when they are ready be sure to give them a
hand up, but not a hand out.

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine

Said a person who can't manage their finances.

How about this, tax those without coverage. 25% of their income. And
watch the numbers drop.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive

The secret to "rich" as you liberal leftists would like to put it is
simple. Spend less than you make and save a reserve fund for when it
isn't dropping money into your lives.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?

Apply to Obama for a loan. See if he will bail you out.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!

Yep, need a law to prevent immature addults having children they can't
afford to raise properly.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

You missed that one.

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

Didn't say that at all. Just make payments to health care like the car,
home, boat or alcohol you buy.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.

In the end, you will only get what you pay for. Maybe less if
governemtn overhead is added. In Ottawa, that is 25.2% GA. Pretty
inefficient white collar work.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

Ya, and being 1000's of years older in culture, might have been better
thought out. But since I haven't lived in France, don't take this as an
endorsement of it.

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

No you are. There is no pot of gold at the end of Obama's rainbow, just
taxation servatude.

that what you consider good care?

That would take too long to explain. And I don't think you are open
enough to hear it. But I will give it a simple view.

Universal yes, government oversight, yes. But engineered to prevent
governemtn abuse and health care professional abuse. Heavy taxes to
those who don't participate. No governemtn skiming. Keep deductabes,
it prevents idle housewife and runny nose abuse. Even comes with a
collections arm. Don't pay your child support, outstanding fines, jump
a fence, no coverage and heavy taxes. There is more.. but will not
happen...

As this is about governemtn increasing revenue. Always ahs been. Jam it
in fast then turn the taxation screws on America. That is what it is
really about or the planning would be much better and take years to
accomplish.

But selfish jack asses like you can't see it. Because you screwed up.
Now you want others to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.

If you look at how Obama and congress is dealing with this recession,
that is their attitude.

Mine is simple, if banks, governments don't ease off of the middle
class, there will be no middle class to support their fat asses in DC or
Ottawa. You are just more deperate than others, but don't let it blind
you as to who is doing the screwing. It is the corrupt, not the
capitalists.

Damn, I am a capitalist and I would love to give you a job. But I will
not be a capitalist for long if I lose money in a **** assed environment
setup by a corrupt government running a huge ponzi scheme. Investors
are scared at this as sooner or later good old debt is going to have to
be repaid and we dont' want to be tax screwed into losing money.

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class

Your interpretation.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em

You got trillions for war, and nothing for people. Funny, you support
the system that is hurting you.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Ya, if providor A isn't doing good, you can move on to B or C.

That will not work in Canada, one arbitary choice, no options. Don't
like it so sad, some liberal statist will be happy to remind you to pay up.

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