On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

So. Didn't you have a reserve fund? Or so in debt you don't have one
living pay check to pay check?

Hell, For a good chunk of my stay in the US I paid my own health care.
(Consulting).

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

Hell, it's 17% and climbing you America. I don't like those
"adjustments" to polish a turd.

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

I like the old values better, when they are ready be sure to give them a
hand up, but not a hand out.

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine

Said a person who can't manage their finances.

How about this, tax those without coverage. 25% of their income. And
watch the numbers drop.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive

The secret to "rich" as you liberal leftists would like to put it is
simple. Spend less than you make and save a reserve fund for when it
isn't dropping money into your lives.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?

Apply to Obama for a loan. See if he will bail you out.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!

Yep, need a law to prevent immature addults having children they can't
afford to raise properly.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

You missed that one.

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

Didn't say that at all. Just make payments to health care like the car,
home, boat or alcohol you buy.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.

In the end, you will only get what you pay for. Maybe less if
governemtn overhead is added. In Ottawa, that is 25.2% GA. Pretty
inefficient white collar work.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

Ya, and being 1000's of years older in culture, might have been better
thought out. But since I haven't lived in France, don't take this as an
endorsement of it.

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

No you are. There is no pot of gold at the end of Obama's rainbow, just
taxation servatude.

that what you consider good care?

That would take too long to explain. And I don't think you are open
enough to hear it. But I will give it a simple view.

Universal yes, government oversight, yes. But engineered to prevent
governemtn abuse and health care professional abuse. Heavy taxes to
those who don't participate. No governemtn skiming. Keep deductabes,
it prevents idle housewife and runny nose abuse. Even comes with a
collections arm. Don't pay your child support, outstanding fines, jump
a fence, no coverage and heavy taxes. There is more.. but will not
happen...

As this is about governemtn increasing revenue. Always ahs been. Jam it
in fast then turn the taxation screws on America. That is what it is
really about or the planning would be much better and take years to
accomplish.

But selfish jack asses like you can't see it. Because you screwed up.
Now you want others to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.

If you look at how Obama and congress is dealing with this recession,
that is their attitude.

Mine is simple, if banks, governments don't ease off of the middle
class, there will be no middle class to support their fat asses in DC or
Ottawa. You are just more deperate than others, but don't let it blind
you as to who is doing the screwing. It is the corrupt, not the
capitalists.

Damn, I am a capitalist and I would love to give you a job. But I will
not be a capitalist for long if I lose money in a **** assed environment
setup by a corrupt government running a huge ponzi scheme. Investors
are scared at this as sooner or later good old debt is going to have to
be repaid and we dont' want to be tax screwed into losing money.

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class

Your interpretation.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em

You got trillions for war, and nothing for people. Funny, you support
the system that is hurting you.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Ya, if providor A isn't doing good, you can move on to B or C.

That will not work in Canada, one arbitary choice, no options. Don't
like it so sad, some liberal statist will be happy to remind you to pay up.

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