Airplane Security/Am I profiling?
 

Is it me, or what? Am I profiling?

This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in
the last year. Others, please STFU.

Okay. This is just me.

I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees,
are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All
look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of
your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the
top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when
their next break is.

Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated,
yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit.

Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU
members?

I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security
makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO.

Rant off

Steve

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 28/12/2009 6:53 AM, BAR wrote:
In inet,
says...

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:08:39 -0500, Jim wrote:


That is exactly one of the problems with profiling. You don't spend
20% of the resources. You spend 80% of the resources, and ignore all
the rest. Put two people on an airplane, one a young Muslim man, the
other an older white woman. The woman is carrying the bomb. While all
the airport security focuses on the young Muslim man, the woman slips
on board.

Rediculous. You would never get a job as a profiler.

Yup, but consider, this last incident was caused by a black Nigerian,
not
an Arab. As I said before, if you want to profile a terrorist, fine,
but
if you think racial profiling is the answer, you are going to miss a lot
of terrorists, McVeigh, the Unabomber, the Shoe Bomber, Black Widows,
etc., etc.

The majority religion in Nigeria is Islam.

AND a visit to Yemen...quick google search on "yemen terrorism" has quit a
few hits. Including a ship bombing.

This guy had terrorist almost written all over him.
Nigeria-Yemem-Amsterdam-Detroit isn't a common or direct flight plan.

Has anyone checked the thought that he might be an Obama relative coming in
for an auto exec position?

Hey, just asking.

Steve

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:24:47 -0800, nom=de=plume wrote:


She was supposed to be at the gate at all times! (Obviously she didn't
learn from the gate-crasher incidend.)

I wonder who was in charge in June of 2008? You know, when someone gave
him his multi-entry visa.


Well, duhhh.... Barack Hussein Obama!!

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Nom=de=Plume

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wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:35:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Ok, that was funny. In any case she was talking about after the incident
started. Perhaps we should see what the investigations show? Nah... just
blame Obama.

No you have already told us this is Bush's fault.


I did? Well, now that you mention it, he never dealt with the actual
threat,
so stretching it a bit, yes.

As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he
supposed to do?

Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on
capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to do
that, but he failed to even try very hard. Then, he got all hard for Saddam,
and he made the radicalization even more pronounced by invading Iraq. He
used "Christian" rhetoric on more than one occasion and had a public
"cowboy" attitude, which alienated our allies (and even some outliers) who
were on our side after 9/11.

BTW didn't the country vote for "change". Maybe that was one of the
things that should have changed ... but nothing really has, has it?

Yes, and last I checked the TSA is a huge entity that takes a lot to get it
to change. While Nepolitano should have been more open about the problems
and spoke more eloquently, condemning her or Obama for lack of change is
disengenuous.

In 2012 is Obama going to be running on the platform "Sorry I didn't
do ****, it was all Bush's fault"

So you say, but ignore the facts on the ground. If you want to see what he's
accomplished do a google search if you're unable to think on your own.

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Nom=de=Plume

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 27/12/2009 10:26 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 27/12/2009 8:40 PM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Dec 27, 9:09 pm, wrote:
On 27/12/2009 4:35 PM, Tom Francis wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:40:14 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

What say you fliers?

Have to ask Janet "The System Worked" Napolitano.

"DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the
attempt
to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that
“the system worked.”

What a clueless wench. More like the idiot got nervious when mixing
the
chemicals and messed up on his lap. Hope he burned his balls. But
luck
had more to do with it. It wasn't time to die for the people on
board.

But the plane landed safely, so the system had to work, eh?

One has to ask how the system made a difference.

He got on the plane right past authorities with an explosive compound.
It
was his mistakes, not the governments actions that saved the day.
Because
even if you were willing to die, I doubt seriously you would want to fry
your balls first.

Ok, that was funny. In any case she was talking about after the incident
started. Perhaps we should see what the investigations show? Nah... just
blame Obama.

Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible
these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely
politicial barriers in doing this right.

I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher
level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is,
ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that.


For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to
the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than
reality.

Good question!

Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it
that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they can
use.

I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent
profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that his
son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he
should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched, questioned
for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father
over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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Harry wrote:
On 12/27/09 10:48 PM, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:44:25 -0500, Harry wrote:


Wait until the teabaggers start blowing up buildings, planes, and crowds
of people.

Yeah, but that wouldn't be terrorism. That would be patriotism, if I
understand the teabaggers correctly.


i'd be interested in seeing the links between the teabaggers and the
KKK. The teabaggers include a large number of latino haters, and, of
course, so does the KKK.

Maybe herring knows. He's a self-outed hater of latinos and blacks, and
a teabagger sympathizer.




So now being Patriotic is to hate Illegal Immigrant Latinos and Black
Americans and be a KKK Member? How white of you.

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Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/12/2009 8:39 PM, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:05:55 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


I don't make them up. How many air plane incidents in say the last 10
years involve other than young male islam/muslims?

Never heard of the Black Widows?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka

Don't give me the hate group nonsense. If I am looking for terrorists I
am not going to be wearing a turbin padding down an eldery white nun
living 30 years in Arkansas I am going to get no where.

Profiling has had some successes with single individuals. When you are
talking of a terrorist organization, it will just look for whackos that
don't fit the profile. By the way, Mohammed Atta doesn't fit your
profile. He was 33.

Looks like Ruskies have some fiesty and deadly women. Did they do a US
airliner?

33, he would fit. I said young, not kids... say 14 to 40.

I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending
20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the
resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being
effective.

And add all terrorist groups, even domestic skin heads.

Profiling works, that is why the Terrorists and others don't want to be
profiled.
If your enemy is a Islamic Fanatic they probably bow to Mecca.

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On 28/12/2009 12:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible
these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely
politicial barriers in doing this right.

I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher
level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is,
ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that.

Problem is the administration will find some low level goat and blame
them. If they did fire someone over this I would pick management in
Amsterdam or Europe as the ideal targets.

People at the bottom of the food chain do what they are told or get
fired. The best they can be are as goats.

For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to
the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than
reality.

Good question!

I asked it knowing the answer. It is because it was never about
security, it was about more controls over people. Getting tabs on
American citizens, non-terrorists going to the Caymans for tax evasion.
Government like the mafia, hates ibeing skimmed.

9/11 was terrorists, but gave the government a good excuse to water down
freedom, track peoples money and become bigger (statism).

Having a locked cockpit has been suggested for decades. Wasn't fancy
sell to politicians to do PR and BS with.

Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it
that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they can
use.

I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent
profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that his
son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he
should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched, questioned
for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father
over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue.

I too don't really like it, even though my profile would let me off the
hook. But the mathematics of probabilities say you must. What is more
important? Being effective or racially blind?

Islam/muslim culture often teaches facism and racism, certainly
intollerance as they tend to be the most violent antions on earth today.
Often literally beheading their own on poliitical not moral
motivation. Sharia law for example, used more often than not as an
exebition of power than of any moral issues.

When dealing with a culture that has a large facist segment, profiling
become a must.

We all do it, just many are not as conciously aware of themselves enough
to see it, as many choose to ignore the fact that they actually do just
that.

Airplane Security/Am I profiling?
 

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:03 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Is it me, or what? Am I profiling?

This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in
the last year. Others, please STFU.

Okay. This is just me.

I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees,
are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All
look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of
your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the
top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when
their next break is.

Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated,
yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit.

Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU
members?

I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security
makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO.

Rant off

Steve


I got called off to the side where a big lady reached into my bag and
asked, "Is this yours?"

To which I replied, "Yes Ma'am."

She said, "What is it? You know you can't take this on the airplane?"

I said, "It's a jar of homemade blueberry jam I was going to give my
brother. You're welcome to open it and taste it."

But, she wouldn't give it back. Those were some careful people. They
definitely fit your profile. My ballpoint pen was in my pocket. Shoved
up the nose of a stewardess, there'd be a dead stewardess. But,
ballpoints are OK. I don't understand it either.
--

John H

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Churchill

Airplane Security/Am I profiling?
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
Is it me, or what? Am I profiling?

This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip
in the last year. Others, please STFU.

Okay. This is just me.

I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees,
are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All
look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out
of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over
the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see
when their next break is.

Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated,
yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit.

Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU
members?

I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport
Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used
enough, IMHO.

Rant off

Steve



I had an interesting experience right after 9/11 with airport security
coming back from Hawaii. There was a really big guy ahead of us in line. He
was carrying a notebook computer. The checker at the x-ray machine asked him
to take it out of the case and turn it on, and he started to get really
irate. We were next through. He was arguing and raising his voice big time.
My friend nudged me, and I could see that "other" security people were
starting to get interested and moving our way. Finally my friend said to
him, hey, are you dumb or what? Do you want to miss your flight and get
strip searched. Start the f*cking computer, so we can all get out of here.
Amazing, since my friend is rather a calm guy. Anyway, the guy with the
computer did an about face on attitude, apologized, and started it up.
Everyone was relieved.

I'm headed off for a short trip to France, so I'll see how much things have
changed or not since my last trip about a year ago. I came back with a
fairly big bottle of some perfume last time that I forgot to pack, so I
figured I'd try (for a friend... I don't use it), and I sailed right through
no problem. It was way over the oz limit.

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Nom=de=Plume