In article , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K
wrote:

We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots of
people are getting a package with something like that in it.

IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month.
Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been
part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the
replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an
inflated rate.

The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public
option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing.

More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance company
middleman between us and our medical providers.

Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health
insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use
providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would stabilize,
and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of
providers.

Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check.
Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and
illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance.
That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the
government or the insurance companies

BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin
when compared to other, similar sized companies.


What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another?

All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free
medical care they want.

When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...

"Tosk" wrote in message
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In article , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:20:39 -0400, H the K
wrote:

We are right in the middle of the insurance selection window. Lots
of
people are getting a package with something like that in it.

IBM's retiree EPO (United) went from $860 to 988 a month.
Our provider has sent out notifications that the program we've been
part of for 5 or 6 years will no longer be offered. Of course the
replacements will either curtail coverage or offer the same at an
inflated rate.

The timing couldn't be better to help folks realize that the public
option is one of the few weapons against this legal fleecing.

More and more, I am wondering why we need the health insurance
company
middleman between us and our medical providers.

Seems to me that if you eliminated over time the private health
insurers, the high profits they are skimming could be put to use
providing needed care and coverage to Americans, costs would
stabilize,
and we could have serious negotiations on price with all manner of
providers.

Medical services would be cheaper if we had to actually write a check.
Insurance should really only be for catastrophic injuries and
illnesses. We should be paying out of pocket for routine maintenance.
That is the only way to cut out the middle man, whether that is the
government or the insurance companies

BTW insurance companies really don't have that high a profit margin
when compared to other, similar sized companies.


What about people who are unemployed for one reason or another?

All they need to do is claim illegal alien status for all the free
medical care they want.

When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I hope you get well soon! Also, I hope you don't have to pay more than
necessary and you can afford it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:


When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:


When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs, and
you'd have to produce your driver's license.


Snotty was probably crying and whinning about the expense so the Doc may
have felt sorry for him.
What a dumb ass....... he should be the first one hoping and praying for
universal medical care.

H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:


When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER.
NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy.

In article , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:


When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER.
NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy.

Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started
asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never
asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't
have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is
rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty
reputable...

And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone
comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to
cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by
marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers.

--
Here is Harry Krause:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243
Harry Krause

On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:


When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...


I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER.
NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy.

Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started
asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never
asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't
have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is
rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty
reputable...

And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone
comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to
cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by
marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers.



If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If
you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person
you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you.

If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times,
the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would
you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of
yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident?

Oh...I know...the state will pay for it.

This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF:

"But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers."

Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health
insurance, s.f.b.?

On Oct 31, 7:24*pm, H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote:



In , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:

When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...

I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER.
NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy.

Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started
asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never
asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't
have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is
rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty
reputable...

And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone
comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to
cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by
marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers.

If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If
you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person
you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you.

If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times,
the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would
you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of
yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident?

Oh...I know...the state will pay for it.

This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF:

"But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
* mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers."

Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health
insurance, s.f.b.?

I don't talk to pedophiles...
Here is Harry Krause:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243
Harry Krause

On 10/31/09 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:24 pm, H the wrote:
On 10/31/09 6:59 PM, Tosk wrote:



In , ""tj
\"@florida,com" says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/31/09 3:41 PM, Tosk wrote:

When I was in the hospital last week one doctor all but suggested that I
give a fake name and ss number knowing I was uninsured. He said and I
quote "everybody does it"... But no, I will be paying the 26,000 dollars
for the next twenty years because I am not a thief...

I figured you were among the uninsured. Really. But you are lying about
the doctor, of course, because reputable hospitals ask for photo IDs,
and you'd have to produce your driver's license.

I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. NO ID GETS YOU SEEN QUICKER.
NO PAPERWORK TO SIFT THROUGH. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, dummy.

Harry is a liar, many folks don't have picture ID's and if they started
asking, the ACLU would go nuts. At Manchester Hospital, they have never
asked me for one. As to Harrys "reputable" comment, we know he doesn't
have a clue and even if he did, he wouldn't be honest about it. ECHN is
rated in the top 5% of health care companies in the US, they are pretty
reputable...

And of course, even Harry knows they don't take time to ask when someone
comes in with a possible heart attack. Either way, even if I did want to
cheat, I know a lot of folks that work there, many are related by
marrige. But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers.

If you're a walk in at a real hospital, you are asked for a photo ID. If
you are unconscious or in need of immediate care, they ask the person
you are with or otherwise try to positively identify you.

If they don't ask you at that hospital, you've been there so many times,
the staff knows you are a deadbeat. Since you have no income, how would
you pay for a serious hospitalization for yourself or for that kid of
yours who sooner or later is likely to have a serious motorbike accident?

Oh...I know...the state will pay for it.

This is a great quote from SW Tom's BFF:

"But the doctor in ER did note that it happens all the time, I
mean, folks giving fake names and SS numbers."

Just what percentage of the families in your area are without health
insurance, s.f.b.?

I don't talk to pedophiles...
Here is Harry Krause:
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off...personId=14243
Harry Krause



I haven't been 5'10" since the fifth grade, **** for brains. And even
that guy is taller than you are.

I wonder if he spends his weekends in tents with underaged girls, as you do.

You should contact him and ask. You two could trade tips.

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:42:00 -0400, wrote:


The up side is the pharmacy computer will have your prescription as
soon as the doctor enters it, they won't be giving you incompatible
drugs and billing will be easier. Your x rays and other tests will be
available wherever you go and you might not have to get as many
duplicate tests.
The bad side, you will have less privacy. Your employer may be able to
see whether you really were sick and the DMV will know what you are
taking so that pain pill prescription might show up on the cop's
laptop while he is following you.
I imagine if you want to send NetDetective $69.95 you can get
anyone's records.

Yep. There is no privacy.
BTW, employers have always had the right to make you prove you were at
the doctor when that's how it works for sick pay compensation.
The computerization of medical records is a good thing.
My doc is computerized and carries a laptop. Checking in is simple.
Insurance card and picture id, and a short form asking if any health
condition has changed since the last visit.
Took my wife to a new OB/GYN a few weeks ago and had to fill out about
8 pages of forms. Major hospital group - Lutheran General in Park
Ridge, Il. It's highly rated. I picked it because of good outcomes
for a range of ailments, and fewer scalpels sewed up in incisions.
Wrote our address and her SSN multiple times on multiple pages.
Ignoring the inefficiency of the forms, I figured it could be excused
because she was a new patient.
Then while we were doing the forms a patient came in and was given the
same form package. She protested that she had already filled them in
many times, but the front desk clerk insisted it be done.
When my wife was called to her doc I chatted with the other woman.
She was ****ed about the forms. She'd been coming to this doc for 10
years and the doc had delivered her 3 children.
But she liked the doc, so she put up with it.
Behind the front desk floor-to-ceiling open-front cabinets were
visible, and I saw nurses searching them, and pulling stuff in and
out.
The file cabinets are suspended on ceiling tracks, so one layer
can be swung away to reveal another
Full of manilla folders. Manilla folders now containing my address,
phone number, group id insurance number, and SSN about 4 times
each.
Might have that 10 year patient's stuff 40 times.
Or maybe they get archived to a cave in Nevada to keep the fork lift
guys employed. Those cabinets were overflowing.
I bet they don't do that in modern countries.
But modern countries don't have a sixth of their economies tied up in
the medical and insurance industries.

--Vic