On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:09 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:49:26 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I suspect most holings in glass are jagged and take odd shapes.
And there's probably no time to whittle.

That's all true but the vast majority of boat sinkings, large and
small, are caused by other things.

http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=609

On larger boats raw water hoses and hose clamps are a common problem.
Other than good preventive maintenance, the best defenses are high
water alarms and large bilge pumps.

Yeah, think I posted that before. Low-hanging fruit.
I'm looking to patch holes in glass from the outside.
Are all your thruhulls and cooling system hoses easily accessed?
I'll probably end up with a bare hull boat with no thruhulls.
Ala Carolina Skiff.
But I get the impression that many thruhulls and other failure points
aren't easily accessed on some boats.
And sometimes lots of concealment of the actual source by various
accoutrements.
That's reason enough right there for a bilge alarm.
BTW, a buddy with a Wauquiez Hood 38, a supposedly high quality
ocean-goer, found that the thruhulls had no backing plates - just
heavily glassed in.
Came from the factory that way during that time-period.
He fixed that right quick.
Anyway, I like the idea of going over the side with a patch kit.
When it is the only solution, of course.
My motto: Be Prepared to Be a Hero Should the Chance Present Itself.
Backup Motto: Sometimes You Can Just Run Like Hell.

--Vic

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:39:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Anyway, I like the idea of going over the side with a patch kit.
When it is the only solution, of course.

Going into the water to make a repair is highly problematic. There's
a lot of risk and it's difficult to maintain your position and grip
while you're working. I carry a regulated dive compressor, wet suit,
weight belt, etc., and have used it a few times to clear lines from
the props. Even anchored in relatively calm water it is difficult
and moderately dangerous to be working under the boat.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:39:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Are all your thruhulls and cooling system hoses easily accessed?

Most but not all.

I'll probably end up with a bare hull boat with no thruhulls.
Ala Carolina Skiff.

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

On 10/17/09 9:00 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:39:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Are all your thruhulls and cooling system hoses easily accessed?

Most but not all.

I'll probably end up with a bare hull boat with no thruhulls.
Ala Carolina Skiff.

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.


Typically, the occupants of an open boat sunk at the dock in storm
conditions don't have far to swim. Occupants of a aging 49' barge
sinking 50 miles offshore...shark bait.


--
http://tinyurl.com/ykaa4k7

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:00:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:39:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Are all your thruhulls and cooling system hoses easily accessed?

Most but not all.

I'll probably end up with a bare hull boat with no thruhulls.
Ala Carolina Skiff.

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

I think I'll give up on the patch kit idea for a while.
No real interest, since the chance of needing it is slight.
Now, anti-capsize. That's interesting.
Time to start talking about inflatable amas deploying from
the gunnels in swamp/capsize situations.
And manual bailing methods when batteries are wet.

--Vic

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:49:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

I think I'll give up on the patch kit idea for a while.
No real interest, since the chance of needing it is slight.
Now, anti-capsize. That's interesting.

Time to start talking about inflatable amas deploying from
the gunnels in swamp/capsize situations.
And manual bailing methods when batteries are wet.

Manual bailing is easy. One gallon plastic jugs with the bottom cut
out work very well.

Automatically deployable amas may take a little more engineering.
:-)

One thing I've sometimes seen on Whalers and Carolina Skiffs is to
ring the boat with fair sized inflatable fenders. This is usually
done on boats that are being used as tenders or for sailing
instruction but it might provide a useful increase in flotation and
capsize resistance for any boat.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:06:27 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:49:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

I think I'll give up on the patch kit idea for a while.
No real interest, since the chance of needing it is slight.
Now, anti-capsize. That's interesting.

Time to start talking about inflatable amas deploying from
the gunnels in swamp/capsize situations.
And manual bailing methods when batteries are wet.

Manual bailing is easy. One gallon plastic jugs with the bottom cut
out work very well.

Automatically deployable amas may take a little more engineering.
:-)

One thing I've sometimes seen on Whalers and Carolina Skiffs is to
ring the boat with fair sized inflatable fenders. This is usually
done on boats that are being used as tenders or for sailing
instruction but it might provide a useful increase in flotation and
capsize resistance for any boat.

There you go. Might just tie inner tubes to the sides my skiff.
Just have to careful with the fishing hooks and gaff.

--Vic

On 10/17/09 6:42 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:06:27 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:49:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

I think I'll give up on the patch kit idea for a while.
No real interest, since the chance of needing it is slight.
Now, anti-capsize. That's interesting.

Time to start talking about inflatable amas deploying from
the gunnels in swamp/capsize situations.
And manual bailing methods when batteries are wet.

Manual bailing is easy. One gallon plastic jugs with the bottom cut
out work very well.

Automatically deployable amas may take a little more engineering.
:-)

One thing I've sometimes seen on Whalers and Carolina Skiffs is to
ring the boat with fair sized inflatable fenders. This is usually
done on boats that are being used as tenders or for sailing
instruction but it might provide a useful increase in flotation and
capsize resistance for any boat.

There you go. Might just tie inner tubes to the sides my skiff.
Just have to careful with the fishing hooks and gaff.

--Vic



Contact the surf rescue guys at the St. Johns, Florida rescue
department...the ones who yank idiots out of the inlets. They have or
had a Carolina skiff with large openings cut in the sides to pull aboard
fatigued swimmers. I don't recall that boat ever swamping or turning
turtle. Might be the fire department that has jurisdiction...

--
http://tinyurl.com/ykaa4k7

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:47:44 -0400, H the K
wrote:


Contact the surf rescue guys at the St. Johns, Florida rescue
department...the ones who yank idiots out of the inlets. They have or
had a Carolina skiff with large openings cut in the sides to pull aboard
fatigued swimmers. I don't recall that boat ever swamping or turning
turtle. Might be the fire department that has jurisdiction...

Those DLX models are wide beam and very stable. Probably less prone
to capsize than v-hulls.

--Vic

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:06:27 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:49:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The biggest risk to open boats is swamping and capsize. That can
happen right at the dock in storm conditions.

I think I'll give up on the patch kit idea for a while.
No real interest, since the chance of needing it is slight.
Now, anti-capsize. That's interesting.

Time to start talking about inflatable amas deploying from
the gunnels in swamp/capsize situations.
And manual bailing methods when batteries are wet.

Manual bailing is easy. One gallon plastic jugs with the bottom cut
out work very well.

Automatically deployable amas may take a little more engineering.
:-)

One thing I've sometimes seen on Whalers and Carolina Skiffs is to
ring the boat with fair sized inflatable fenders. This is usually
done on boats that are being used as tenders or for sailing
instruction but it might provide a useful increase in flotation and
capsize resistance for any boat.

There you go. Might just tie inner tubes to the sides my skiff.
Just have to careful with the fishing hooks and gaff.

--Vic

Have you sen the Walker Bay boat option?
http://www.walkerbay.com/products/ri...ghy/index.html
At first I think the inflatable portion was added to the stock boats... but
it may be different now.