They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. :)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. :)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

That keel really looked flaky.
I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

--Vic

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. :)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

That keel really looked flaky.

Yeah - that looked a little funky, but it seemed to work. And it was
sailing in fairly choppy water.

I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

On Oct 15, 10:13*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. *Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. *:)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

That keel really looked flaky.

Yeah - that looked a little funky, but it seemed to work. *And it was
sailing in fairly choppy water.

I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

The last episode I watched was when they made an outboard boat out of
frozen paper machet.

that didn't work very well either.

In article 8aab6103-90ad-4b25-aa35-
, says...

On Oct 15, 10:13*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. *Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. *:)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

That keel really looked flaky.

Yeah - that looked a little funky, but it seemed to work. *And it was
sailing in fairly choppy water.

I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

The last episode I watched was when they made an outboard boat out of
frozen paper machet.

that didn't work very well either.

Worked fine till it melted.. They even got it up on plane iirc...

On Oct 15, 11:21*am, Tosk wrote:
In article 8aab6103-90ad-4b25-aa35-
, says...





On Oct 15, 10:13*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

They built a wire frame sail boat out of duct tape. *Including the
sail, rudder and keel.

Damn thing actually sailed pretty good. *:)

It's looked like the old Town Class racing series boat.

Looked like it sailed pretty well too.

That keel really looked flaky.

Yeah - that looked a little funky, but it seemed to work. *And it was
sailing in fairly choppy water.

I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

The last episode I watched was when they made an outboard boat out of
frozen paper machet.

that didn't work very well either.

Worked fine till it melted.. They even got it up on plane iirc...

Yeah, they tried to re-freeze the hull with a fire extinguisher.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:13:21 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:


I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

Just like their drill made perfectly round hole.
I suspect most holings in glass are jagged and take odd shapes.
And there's probably no time to whittle.
My 2 leading ideas for emergency patching holes in glass caused by
hitting debris, both applied from the outside by diving overboard,

2. A glue attached patch that could be unfolded and slapped over the
hole. Something like visqueen. Maybe with a backing that is pulled
off to activate/expose the glue. Couple feet square should do, but
could be various sizes.
Trouble is I haven't seen a suitable underwater glue.
Some talk about developing them by copying barnacle secretions, etc.,
but nothing I've seen on the market that is fast and sticky
underwater.
Seems the best thing might actually be a tube of roofing patch tar,
applying a wide bead with a caulk gun around the hole, then slapping
the sheet of visqueen on it. Just an idea, and I don't know if it
would work. But I'd love to try it if I lived by real water instead
of just rain. Damn it, I've seen about 2 hours of sun since I got
back from Florida a couple weeks ago.

So, number 1 choice is.......

1. A PFD-like bag, suitably sized, that can jammed in the hole, and
inflated by pulling a CO2 lanyard.
Pleating to accommodate hole jaggedness, flexibility/ toughness of
material, and inflation pressure are the main engineering issues.
Not exactly rocket science, but still....

These are quick and dirty measures to stop most inflow and give the
boater a chance to dewater by pumping/bailing, and make a more
permanent patch if possible.
Not as a replacement for normal damage control plugs, which are fine
for a broken thruhull for example.
Big ships carry timbers to shore a mattress against a hole in the hull
and all kinds of other crap.
Wouldn't be prudent to carry such on a 20' Carolina Skiff.
Now I have to go.
Time to study life rafts, and maybe a device/tool/kit to assist in
righting a capsized boat.
So many problems to solve, so little time.

--Vic

On Oct 16, 12:49*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:13:21 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:07:34 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

I watched their attempt to use duct tape to patch a hole from under
water with some interest.
Half-assed worked.
A special adhesive formulation that sticks better - to put in the
emergency kit - would probably sell to boaters.

They went about it wrong - a patch isn't going to work.

Whipping up a ball and/or plug would have been perfect.

Just like their drill made perfectly round hole.
I suspect most holings in glass are jagged and take odd shapes.
And there's probably no time to whittle.
My 2 leading ideas for emergency patching holes in glass caused by
hitting debris, both applied from the outside by diving overboard,

2. *A glue attached patch that could be unfolded and slapped over the
hole. *Something like visqueen. *Maybe with a backing that is pulled
off to activate/expose the glue. *Couple feet square should do, but
could be various sizes.
Trouble is I haven't seen a suitable underwater glue.
Some talk about developing them by copying barnacle secretions, etc.,
but nothing I've seen on the market that is fast and sticky
underwater.
Seems the best thing might actually be a tube of roofing patch tar,
applying a wide bead with a caulk gun around the hole, then slapping
the sheet of visqueen on it. *Just an idea, and I don't know if it
would work. *But I'd love to try it if I lived by real water instead
of just rain. *Damn it, I've seen about 2 hours of sun since I got
back from Florida a couple weeks ago.

So, number 1 choice is.......

1. A PFD-like bag, suitably sized, that can jammed in the hole, and
inflated by pulling a CO2 lanyard.
Pleating to accommodate hole jaggedness, flexibility/ toughness of
material, and inflation pressure are the main engineering issues.
Not exactly rocket science, but still....

These are quick and dirty measures to stop most inflow and give the
boater a chance to dewater by pumping/bailing, and make a more
permanent patch if possible.
Not as a replacement for normal damage control plugs, which are fine
for a broken thruhull for example.
Big ships carry timbers to shore a mattress against a hole in the hull
and all kinds of other crap.
Wouldn't be prudent to carry such on a 20' Carolina Skiff.
Now I have to go.
Time to study life rafts, and maybe a device/tool/kit to assist in
righting a capsized boat.
So many problems to solve, so little time.

--Vic

The fishermen in the sound using plywood skiffs used to carry pieces
of plywood and roofing tar for quick fixes to get home...

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:49:26 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I suspect most holings in glass are jagged and take odd shapes.
And there's probably no time to whittle.

That's all true but the vast majority of boat sinkings, large and
small, are caused by other things.

http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=609

On larger boats raw water hoses and hose clamps are a common problem.
Other than good preventive maintenance, the best defenses are high
water alarms and large bilge pumps.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:14:09 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:49:26 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I suspect most holings in glass are jagged and take odd shapes.
And there's probably no time to whittle.

That's all true but the vast majority of boat sinkings, large and
small, are caused by other things.

http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=609

On larger boats raw water hoses and hose clamps are a common problem.
Other than good preventive maintenance, the best defenses are high
water alarms and large bilge pumps.

Yeah, think I posted that before. Low-hanging fruit.
I'm looking to patch holes in glass from the outside.
Are all your thruhulls and cooling system hoses easily accessed?
I'll probably end up with a bare hull boat with no thruhulls.
Ala Carolina Skiff.
But I get the impression that many thruhulls and other failure points
aren't easily accessed on some boats.
And sometimes lots of concealment of the actual source by various
accoutrements.
That's reason enough right there for a bilge alarm.
BTW, a buddy with a Wauquiez Hood 38, a supposedly high quality
ocean-goer, found that the thruhulls had no backing plates - just
heavily glassed in.
Came from the factory that way during that time-period.
He fixed that right quick.
Anyway, I like the idea of going over the side with a patch kit.
When it is the only solution, of course.
My motto: Be Prepared to Be a Hero Should the Chance Present Itself.
Backup Motto: Sometimes You Can Just Run Like Hell.

--Vic