JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:14:19 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:57:24 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:42:16 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
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How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H
Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?
I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?
Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card.
Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H
Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it?
Think PASSPORT loogy, and then get back to me.

I already have a national ID card. Sure didn't cost any $23 billion.

Tell me what freedoms I've lost? Tell me what freedoms a passport
causes one to lose.

What freedoms would a 'national ID card' cause one to lose that a
passport wouldn't?
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John H
Apparently it's over your head John. The National ID card idea wasn't a
friggin' passport. Two different things.
Please list these 'basic freedoms that will be lost and gone forever'
with *either* a mandatory passport or a 'national ID card'.

You're blowing a lot of smoke.

If you can't list all those 'basic freedoms...', then you lied like
Harry and owe everyone an apology.
--

John H
See my post about the National ID card.

You've made a bunch. None list the 'basic freedoms that will be lost
and gone forever'.

You must have lied, a la HK. You owe everyone an apology.
--

John H
Had enough of your condescending bull****. Shove it. Goodbye

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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How do you propose low income people pay for the passport?
They're not cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the
fact that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared
winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating
in the polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and
supportive. Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position,
Bush squandered it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and
we're much worse off, politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not cheap these days.
Oh, that question. I have no proposals with regard to how poor people
obtain passports. You figure it out. You seem semi intelligent.
Not require a national id card... but of course, this is a Republican
talking point not mine.


Did I say anything about a national ID card? I guess, maybe, I gave you
too much credit.

You said you don't know (or apparently care) how poor people obtain
passports. Just because you're irritated doesn't mean you should scratch.

Still with the personal insults.... what a creep.


Why would poor people need passports, sweetie? If they could afford
travel, is it too much of a stretch for you to figure out they could
afford a passport.


Read the thread and get back to us when you understand.


Ya right. Wait for it.

"Jim" wrote in message
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Read the thread and get back to us when you understand.


Ya right. Wait for it.


I'm hopeful it will be a long wait.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:48:16 -0400, NotNow wrote:

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Had enough of your condescending bull****. Shove it. Goodbye

thx
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John H

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Thought you were for
SMALLER government?
Putting words in my mouth again?



Oh, so your NOT for smaller government??

Don't think I ever said that either..

Well which is it?

Bigger, smaller? It's much more complicated than that so I really can't
give you the answer you need...

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H
Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?
I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?
Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card.
Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H
Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it?

It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy.
Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they
can game the system???


Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his
passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was
trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card
with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in
Germany.

Bull, we as Americans are supposed to carry id at all times... Only
illegals are supposed to be able to walk around without one, why??

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:


Bull, we as Americans are supposed to carry id at all times...

What national law might that be, moron?


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Idiots All

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
JustWait wrote:


Bull, we as Americans are supposed to carry id at all times...

What national law might that be, moron?


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All


I believe there was a test case of this a long time ago in San Diego? Some
homeless guy couldn't or wouldn't produce id. They arrested him, and I think
it was either thrown out or overturned.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:08:13 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:50:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're
not
cheap these days.

Yeah, we're in favor of voter fraud like what happened in 2000 in
Florida? right.

Fraud? Nope. Just a few mis counted votes, hanging chad and the fact
that Al gore kept demanding recounts until he was declared winner.
Total fraud. Yet after Bush was elected by the Supreme Court, loyal
Americans accepted the result. We didn't question that Bush was the
president. After 9/11, Bush had something like 90% approval rating in
the
polls. The vast majority of the world were sympathetic and supportive.
Instead of taking advantage of our remarkable position, Bush squandered
it in a war of choice. Tens of thousands died, and we're much worse
off,
politically, financially, and morally.

Now, answer the question.

Already did, sweetie.
No, you didn't:

How do you propose low income people pay for the passport? They're not
cheap these days.
If we are to end up paying for health care for the poor, and not
including illegal immigrants, then I've no problem with providing the
poor a free passport. That could then be an ID requirement for the
free healthcare.
--

John H
Illegal immigrants are exempt from signing up for the various healthcare
programs winding their way through Congress. So, you don't mind a national
id card? That's quite a statement.
Saying, "That's quite a statement" is quite a statement.

I said I agree with everyone being required to have a passport. It
hasn't killed one European that I know of.
The problem with a national ID card is it takes away the Democrats best
election tool, voter fraud... They will never let it happen.

No, the problem(s) with a national ID card is that our basic freedoms
will be lost and gone forever.

Cost. They are estimating the program will cost upwards of $23 billion,
plus they'll have to run the program year to year. Thought you were for
SMALLER government?
I've had a passport for over thirty years. I know of no 'basic
freedoms' I've lost forever.

Do you have any idea WTF you're talking about?
Yes, I'm talking about a National ID card.
Issuing a passport to the poor would cost $23 billion a year? That's
pure horse**** and you know it.
--

John H
Again, a NATIONAL ID CARD.....did you READ it?

It is my responsibility to carry an id card, since I was a young boy.
Why should only certain folks be allowed to go without them now? So they
can game the system???


Jesus H. Christ!!! That's about as absurd as John saying that his
passport is the same as the national ID card that the goverment was
trying to push. You analogy of carrying ID isn't the same as an ID card
with a tracking chip, etc. What you are proposing is like the Nazi's in
Germany.

Why are you bringing up tracking chips? Did the Nazi's in Germany have
tracking chips? Or was it the Nazi's *not* in Germany that had the
tracking chips?

It's an irrelevant talking point, like the whole library tracking thing
that never happened either...

--
Wafa free since 2009

nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
JustWait wrote:

Bull, we as Americans are supposed to carry id at all times...
What national law might that be, moron?


--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All


I believe there was a test case of this a long time ago in San Diego? Some
homeless guy couldn't or wouldn't produce id. They arrested him, and I think
it was either thrown out or overturned.



There's no national law that requires carrying ID so you can walk down
the street "legally". JustHate is simply demonstrating his general
ignorance.




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Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All