"Jim" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
Here is the first sentence in it's entirety. Notice the period at the end.

"Although the preamble is not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government, the Supreme Court has often referred to it as evidence
of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution."


Thus, it has weight and influence on the highest court of the land. Thanks.

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"BAR" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Although the preamble is not a source of power for any department of
the
Federal Government, the Supreme Court has often referred to it as
evidence
of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution."


That is very instructive.


Try finishing the sentence... I think it's pretty clear that you're
pretty wrong. Why not admit it.


Who elects the national leaders?


What's that got to do with the discussion of general welfare? If you're
talking about Bush v. Gore, it would be the Supreme Court.

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"Jack" wrote in message
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That is very instructive.

Try finishing the sentence... I think it's pretty clear that you're pretty
wrong. Why not admit it.

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Let's re-arrange the sentence. "While some have referred to it as
evidence of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution, the
preamble is
not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government."

Let's leave it as the Founders intended.

What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

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On Sep 6, 1:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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That is very instructive.

Try finishing the sentence... I think it's pretty clear that you're pretty
wrong. Why not admit it.

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Let's re-arrange the sentence. *"While some have referred to it as
evidence of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution, the
preamble is
not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government."

Let's leave it as the Founders intended.

Just trying to help you understand, what must be for you, a difficult
sentence. Oh, and the Founders didn't write that sentence... some
lawyer did. Is that the source of your confusion? There's that
mental heavy lifting thing again.


What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

Can you answer a direct question? Apparently not.

You know, you may be right. We can stretch "general welfare" to mean
just about anything. Something that would help *my* general welfare
would be, say, ten million dollars and about twenty acres of prime
real estate on the local lake. The goverment should provide that to
me. Oh, and they should, of course, take it away from my fellow man
to give it to me. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Can you see how silly your whole argument is?

"Jack" wrote in message
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Just trying to help you understand, what must be for you, a difficult
sentence. Oh, and the Founders didn't write that sentence... some
lawyer did. Is that the source of your confusion? There's that
mental heavy lifting thing again.

Swing and a miss.

What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

Can you answer a direct question? Apparently not.

Air ball...

Can you see how silly your whole argument is?

Certain can... just like your ignorance of the facts in this case...

I guess the governor of Penn at the Constitutional Congress in 1787 doesn't
count as a Founding Father. Keep swinging, you'll hit something eventually.


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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Jack" wrote in message
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Just trying to help you understand, what must be for you, a difficult
sentence. Oh, and the Founders didn't write that sentence... some
lawyer did. Is that the source of your confusion? There's that
mental heavy lifting thing again.

Swing and a miss.

What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

Can you answer a direct question? Apparently not.

Air ball...

Can you see how silly your whole argument is?

Certain can... just like your ignorance of the facts in this case...

I guess the governor of Penn at the Constitutional Congress in 1787
doesn't count as a Founding Father. Keep swinging, you'll hit something
eventually.


My bad. His name was Gouverneur Morris. He represented Penn, and he wrote
much of the constitution. I new there was a "governor" in there somewhere.

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On Sep 6, 2:38*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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Just trying to help you understand, what must be for you, a difficult
sentence. *Oh, and the Founders didn't write that sentence... some
lawyer did. *Is that the source of your confusion? *There's that
mental heavy lifting thing again.

Swing and a miss.

What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

Can you answer a direct question? *Apparently not.

Air ball...

Can you see how silly your whole argument is?

Certain can... just like your ignorance of the facts in this case...

I guess the governor of Penn at the Constitutional Congress in 1787 doesn't
count as a Founding Father. Keep swinging, you'll hit something eventually.

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Are you thinking the sentence: "Although the preamble is not a source
of power for any department of the Federal Government, the Supreme
Court has often referred to it as evidence of the origin, scope, and
purpose of the Constitution." was written by a founding father, Gouv
Morris? You seem to be indicating that. Want to share your source?

Besides, every source is unanimous in one thing... that the preamble
DOES NOT grant any powers to the government, that it only serves to
introduce the Constitution. If you're still trying to maintain that
the preamble itself, or the annotation from Findlaw above, grants
power to the president and congress to enact some legislation, you're
just... wrong.

On Sep 6, 3:16*pm, Jack wrote:
On Sep 6, 2:38*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:





"Jack" wrote in message

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Just trying to help you understand, what must be for you, a difficult
sentence. *Oh, and the Founders didn't write that sentence... some
lawyer did. *Is that the source of your confusion? *There's that
mental heavy lifting thing again.

Swing and a miss.

What is it about "not a source of power for any department of the
Federal Government" do you not understand?

Are you a revisionist constitutionalist? I doubt it.

Can you answer a direct question? *Apparently not.

Air ball...

Can you see how silly your whole argument is?

Certain can... just like your ignorance of the facts in this case...

I guess the governor of Penn at the Constitutional Congress in 1787 doesn't
count as a Founding Father. Keep swinging, you'll hit something eventually.

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Nom=de=Plume

Are you thinking the sentence: "Although the preamble is not a source
of power for any department of the Federal Government, the Supreme
Court has often referred to it as evidence of the origin, scope, and
purpose of the Constitution." was written by a founding father, Gouv
Morris? *You seem to be indicating that. *Want to share your source?

Besides, every source is unanimous in one thing... that the preamble
DOES NOT grant any powers to the government, that it only serves to
introduce the Constitution. *If you're still trying to maintain that
the preamble itself, or the annotation from Findlaw above, grants
power to the president and congress to enact some legislation, you're
just... wrong.

Heh, heh... crickets. I'm not surprised.

"Jack" wrote in message
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I guess the governor of Penn at the Constitutional Congress in 1787
doesn't
count as a Founding Father. Keep swinging, you'll hit something
eventually.


Gouverneur Morris, look it up. Get back to us when you're willing to admit
your mistake.

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