On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:48:08 -0400, H the K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:28:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

My 92 yr old dad had angioplasty this morn so I went to see him
afterwards. Mom and several sisters described what took place. He
had two arteries 98% clogged. I have for years wished they could
remove the stuff clogging the arteries in addition to using the
stent. My mom and sibs told me that they actually did this. I was
surprised and said I thought this could not be done due to the danger
of the "debris" causing a stroke. Apparently, the device whirls at
very high rpm and cuts it into such tiny pieces it causes no problem.
Doc said this could not be done 5 yrs ago. So, my 92 yr old dad now
has a heart that is prob better than mine. WOW.
Govt run health care would have no incentive to develop such a thing
in 5 yrs. My dad has pvt health ins, VA and medicare with his pvt
care paying most of it. Govt health care would simply say, "92 yrs
old, no reason to do much" but his mind is in perfect shape and I
expect he'll have 10 more years.

Talking out of your ass again.

My father just had a similar procedure done for clots in his legs and
medicare covered the cost.


Hehehe.

Froggy and most of the other righties here are almost always talking out
of their asses.

In health care insurance reform...the Republicans don't give a ****
about it, one way or the other. What they do care about is this: if the
Dems manage to get any sort of reasonable health care insurance reform
passed, it will mean death for the GOP for many elections to come.

Why? Because if there is decent reform and any sort of publc option, it
will have great appeal to unemployed and underemployed Americans and
even to employers if there is a way for them to get their workers
covered and slow the rising premiums they have to pay for health insurance.

The Republicans are on record as opposing these reforms. In reality,
they want no reform.

You can just see the ads now..."If you elect Republicans they *will*
repeal health care reform, the very health care reform that got health
insurance for your family."

Simple.

You're assuming voters can read and think.
Most voting levers are pulled with jerking knees.
A better option is to give the Reps what they really want.
Kill Medicare and all other forms of Fed assistance.
VA, Medicaid, etc, etc.
Cut Fed taxes to the bone and let the states fend for themselves.
That's what they're always whining about.
Let them old folks on Medicare lose their houses paying their medical
bills, and have the insurance company death panels pull the plug on
them.
That'll shut 'em up, and put the last nail in the coffin of the Rep
party.
Wouldn't bother me a bit. Nobody lives forever.
Be a real good show too. Have to stock up on popcorn.
Won't happen though.
Neither the Dems or Reps have the guts to stand by their so-called
principles.
Without a "public option" there will be no progress with health care
reform until things really go to hell in a handbasket.
In the meantime the only winners will be the insurance companies and
health care companies.
Obama has a big speech next week.
If he doesn't demand a public option he loses.
Be interesting to see if his guts match the Dem numbers in Congress.
That's my opinion.
I don't see much guts in the Dem party.
They should be kicking ass and telling the Reps to go get ****ed,
including the town hall whiners sucking Medicare tit and wanting all
that milk just for themselves.
Elections count. Supposed to anyway.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:48:08 -0400, H the K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:28:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

My 92 yr old dad had angioplasty this morn so I went to see him
afterwards. Mom and several sisters described what took place. He
had two arteries 98% clogged. I have for years wished they could
remove the stuff clogging the arteries in addition to using the
stent. My mom and sibs told me that they actually did this. I was
surprised and said I thought this could not be done due to the danger
of the "debris" causing a stroke. Apparently, the device whirls at
very high rpm and cuts it into such tiny pieces it causes no problem.
Doc said this could not be done 5 yrs ago. So, my 92 yr old dad now
has a heart that is prob better than mine. WOW.
Govt run health care would have no incentive to develop such a thing
in 5 yrs. My dad has pvt health ins, VA and medicare with his pvt
care paying most of it. Govt health care would simply say, "92 yrs
old, no reason to do much" but his mind is in perfect shape and I
expect he'll have 10 more years.
Talking out of your ass again.

My father just had a similar procedure done for clots in his legs and
medicare covered the cost.

Hehehe.

Froggy and most of the other righties here are almost always talking out
of their asses.

In health care insurance reform...the Republicans don't give a ****
about it, one way or the other. What they do care about is this: if the
Dems manage to get any sort of reasonable health care insurance reform
passed, it will mean death for the GOP for many elections to come.

Why? Because if there is decent reform and any sort of publc option, it
will have great appeal to unemployed and underemployed Americans and
even to employers if there is a way for them to get their workers
covered and slow the rising premiums they have to pay for health insurance.

The Republicans are on record as opposing these reforms. In reality,
they want no reform.

You can just see the ads now..."If you elect Republicans they *will*
repeal health care reform, the very health care reform that got health
insurance for your family."

Simple.

You're assuming voters can read and think.
Most voting levers are pulled with jerking knees.
A better option is to give the Reps what they really want.
Kill Medicare and all other forms of Fed assistance.
VA, Medicaid, etc, etc.
Cut Fed taxes to the bone and let the states fend for themselves.
That's what they're always whining about.
Let them old folks on Medicare lose their houses paying their medical
bills, and have the insurance company death panels pull the plug on
them.
That'll shut 'em up, and put the last nail in the coffin of the Rep
party.
Wouldn't bother me a bit. Nobody lives forever.
Be a real good show too. Have to stock up on popcorn.
Won't happen though.
Neither the Dems or Reps have the guts to stand by their so-called
principles.
Without a "public option" there will be no progress with health care
reform until things really go to hell in a handbasket.
In the meantime the only winners will be the insurance companies and
health care companies.
Obama has a big speech next week.
If he doesn't demand a public option he loses.
Be interesting to see if his guts match the Dem numbers in Congress.
That's my opinion.
I don't see much guts in the Dem party.
They should be kicking ass and telling the Reps to go get ****ed,
including the town hall whiners sucking Medicare tit and wanting all
that milk just for themselves.
Elections count. Supposed to anyway.

--Vic





Thanks, but I am not interested in destroying what is left that is good
in this country.

I agree about the lack of guts in the Dem party. I think Dems should be
going for the throats of GOP officials whose only interest is to stymie
Obama and the Dems.

Republicans...they ****ed you royally for the last eight years, and they
haven't stopped yet...

I would single out for special attention the GOP lawmakers who put down
the public option yet use naval hospitals for their own health care.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:13:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:


Without a "public option" there will be no progress with health care
reform until things really go to hell in a handbasket. In the meantime
the only winners will be the insurance companies and health care
companies.
Obama has a big speech next week.
If he doesn't demand a public option he loses. Be interesting to see if
his guts match the Dem numbers in Congress. That's my opinion.
I don't see much guts in the Dem party. They should be kicking ass and
telling the Reps to go get ****ed, including the town hall whiners
sucking Medicare tit and wanting all that milk just for themselves.
Elections count. Supposed to anyway.

Hear, hear. I agree completely. In many ways, Obama's administration is
riding on the outcome of health care reform. The Democrats have the
numbers. Obama needs to quit playing softball. I'd feel a little more
confident is Reid was a little tougher, because someone has to get the
Democrats playing hard ball.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:13:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:


Without a "public option" there will be no progress with health care
reform until things really go to hell in a handbasket. In the meantime
the only winners will be the insurance companies and health care
companies.
Obama has a big speech next week.
If he doesn't demand a public option he loses. Be interesting to see if
his guts match the Dem numbers in Congress. That's my opinion.
I don't see much guts in the Dem party. They should be kicking ass and
telling the Reps to go get ****ed, including the town hall whiners
sucking Medicare tit and wanting all that milk just for themselves.
Elections count. Supposed to anyway.

Hear, hear. I agree completely. In many ways, Obama's administration is
riding on the outcome of health care reform. The Democrats have the
numbers. Obama needs to quit playing softball. I'd feel a little more
confident is Reid was a little tougher, because someone has to get the
Democrats playing hard ball.

So, you feel that half the country should totally dictate to the other
half, a one party system if you will?

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:08:40 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:13:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote:


Without a "public option" there will be no progress with health care
reform until things really go to hell in a handbasket. In the meantime
the only winners will be the insurance companies and health care
companies.
Obama has a big speech next week.
If he doesn't demand a public option he loses. Be interesting to see if
his guts match the Dem numbers in Congress. That's my opinion.
I don't see much guts in the Dem party. They should be kicking ass and
telling the Reps to go get ****ed, including the town hall whiners
sucking Medicare tit and wanting all that milk just for themselves.
Elections count. Supposed to anyway.

Hear, hear. I agree completely. In many ways, Obama's administration is
riding on the outcome of health care reform. The Democrats have the
numbers. Obama needs to quit playing softball. I'd feel a little more
confident is Reid was a little tougher, because someone has to get the
Democrats playing hard ball.

So, you feel that half the country should totally dictate to the other
half, a one party system if you will?

It is the duty of the citizen to subordinate himself or herself to the
lunatic fringe for the good of 'posterity' and government. If one or
two of your personal liberties are sacrificed - "big whup"!

--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
-------http://www.NewsDemon.com------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:08:40 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, you feel that half the country should totally dictate to the other
half, a one party system if you will?

It is an imperfect system, isn't it? Oh, and I believe Republicans only
constitute 1/4 of the population these days.

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:08:40 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, you feel that half the country should totally dictate to the other
half, a one party system if you will?

It is an imperfect system, isn't it? Oh, and I believe Republicans only
constitute 1/4 of the population these days.

That may or may not be a valid belief. Labeling opposition to the liberal
agenda as only Republican is a major mistake.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:08:40 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, you feel that half the country should totally dictate to the other
half, a one party system if you will?

It is an imperfect system, isn't it? Oh, and I believe Republicans only
constitute 1/4 of the population these days.

Geeze, that doesn't square with the last election. But it should make
Olbermann's fact sheet now that it's been said... snerk

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:14:57 -0400, JustWait wrote:


It is an imperfect system, isn't it? Oh, and I believe Republicans
only constitute 1/4 of the population these days.

Geeze, that doesn't square with the last election. But it should make
Olbermann's fact sheet now that it's been said... snerk

Plus or minus a few points, but you may be forgetting Independents. A
few years ago, the break down was roughly 1/3 Democrats, 1/3
Independents, and 1/3 Republicans. This poll has the Republicans at 27%,
with most leaving for Independent status, not Democrat. I have, however,
seen other polls that had the Republicans down to 22%.

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:33:27 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:14:57 -0400, JustWait wrote:


It is an imperfect system, isn't it? Oh, and I believe Republicans
only constitute 1/4 of the population these days.

Geeze, that doesn't square with the last election. But it should make
Olbermann's fact sheet now that it's been said... snerk

Plus or minus a few points, but you may be forgetting Independents. A
few years ago, the break down was roughly 1/3 Democrats, 1/3
Independents, and 1/3 Republicans. This poll has the Republicans at 27%,
with most leaving for Independent status, not Democrat. I have, however,
seen other polls that had the Republicans down to 22%.

Hey Thunder. Was it a poll of Acorn members?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.