On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:44:39 -0700, "mgg" wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:42:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
SNIP

What are you talking about?

Killing yourself is against the law in most states. In a few states
you can take your life if you're terminally ill.


OK, so the *real* problem was the suicide, not the gun...right? People kill
themselves every day, just because a gun is involved doesn't make it any
worse. It would be worse if the used the gun on someone else before
themselves. More people commit suicide by jumping off bridges, than guns.
Should we ban bridges?

--Mike

My point is that guns are a far more effective means of killing than
most other methods. There are a gaggle of gun advocates in this very
newsgroup who consistently argue that a knife, a screwdriver or a
pencil is just as effective at killing and I call bull****.

This story is just one example of how effective guns are at killing
when other methods aren't nearly as deadly. You can't do equivalent
damage to someone with a knife from 10 feet as you can a gun, unless
you're a circus performer or lumberjack.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:31:43 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:03:47 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:44:39 -0700, "mgg" wrote:
|
|
|"jps" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:42:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
| wrote:
|SNIP
|
| What are you talking about?
|
| Killing yourself is against the law in most states. In a few states
| you can take your life if you're terminally ill.
|
|
|OK, so the *real* problem was the suicide, not the gun...right? People kill
|themselves every day, just because a gun is involved doesn't make it any
|worse. It would be worse if the used the gun on someone else before
|themselves. More people commit suicide by jumping off bridges, than guns.
|Should we ban bridges?
|
|--Mike
|
|My point is that guns are a far more effective means of killing than
|most other methods. There are a gaggle of gun advocates in this very
|newsgroup who consistently argue that a knife, a screwdriver or a
|pencil is just as effective at killing and I call bull****.
|
|This story is just one example of how effective guns are at killing
|when other methods aren't nearly as deadly. You can't do equivalent
|damage to someone with a knife from 10 feet as you can a gun, unless
|you're a circus performer or lumberjack.

The point is, she didn't do it at 10 feet.... so she obviously didn't
need a gun. Most women that commit suicide do not use violent means.
Why don't you champion eliminating all of the things they use?

Or do you have some sort of strange gun fetish?

Yes, I have a gun fetish but not of a sexual nature.

The US has been stupid about controlling guns, their sale and rampant
availability.

Countries that control guns do not have the murder rate we do in the
US. Please don't suggest we ban screwdrivers. It's a specious
argument put up for simpletons.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:02:39 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Countries that control guns do not have the murder rate we do in the
|US.

Oh..... BS.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706

|Please don't suggest we ban screwdrivers. It's a specious
|argument put up for simpletons.

No.... it isn't. I've watched this same foolish argument in the
schools. Believing that it was all about "tools" and not *intent,* the
school systems banned "weapons." Now, that makes for some interesting
dancing around the facts when you consider shop classes and home ec.
classes.

Students so inclined, though, undaunted, used the most available
weapon at hand.... pens and pencils. Ban them too? Of course not,
that's silly, it isn't about *what* they used it was about their
*intent.*

Can you say, "Circular Logic, but we'd never admit it?"


In my county's schools you can't even have a PICTURE of a weapon. Our
kenpo karate logo has a sword. You get sent home for wearing a shirt
with the logo on it because of the sword.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:45:11 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:02:39 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Countries that control guns do not have the murder rate we do in the
|US.

Oh..... BS.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706

|Please don't suggest we ban screwdrivers. It's a specious
|argument put up for simpletons.

No.... it isn't. I've watched this same foolish argument in the
schools. Believing that it was all about "tools" and not *intent,* the
school systems banned "weapons." Now, that makes for some interesting
dancing around the facts when you consider shop classes and home ec.
classes.

Students so inclined, though, undaunted, used the most available
weapon at hand.... pens and pencils. Ban them too? Of course not,
that's silly, it isn't about *what* they used it was about their
*intent.*

Can you say, "Circular Logic, but we'd never admit it?"

Please describe to me how you mortally wound a person from 10 feet
away with a pencil, knife, spoon, screwdriver, etc.

I know you can miss from 10 feet with a gun too but the odds are a
****load better the gun is going to have more effect than any of the
above.