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"Dave Brown" wrote in message
... SteveB wrote: Can someone give me the short answer on if this TC-WII Johnson oil is good to use in my '89 Merc 4 cyl TWO STROKE motor? Is there a discernable difference between TC-WII and TC-W3 oil? Very Quickly then... TCW = Two cycle water cooled. That means it's an 'ashless' oil and should NEVER be run in PWC type engines. It also means you NEVER run a lawnmower or chain saw oil in your outboard. I am NOT going to entertain debate about what's hype what's crap etc. I will simply state the following: I have been inside engines for all of my adult life (and all my teens too I guess) and can tell you there IS a difference. Just because an oil meets the spec, doesn't mean it's the best oil you can buy. OEM oils have more beneficial additives in them than straight spec non-OEM stuff. Do they make their own oil? No, but they require the oil companies to make their oil to their spec, and further prevent them from selling that spec oil as aftermarket. Does it cost that much extra to make? Nope, but there is no middle ground. You want their special additive packages that costs an extra nickel, you get to pay through the nose - no argument there. In final answer to your question, if you have TCW-2 oil, it's VERY old and worth 50 cents less than you paid for it. ;-) Now stop being so damn cheap and go enjoy your boat will ya? ;-) -- Total tripe. Straight from the yamaha pwc manual "if yamalube is not available, any twc3 oil may be used.". You're right, nothing to debate, you're just plain wrong. Hell, we were running ashless oil in our dirt bikes 30 years ago. And there's nothing different about the manufacturer brand oil except the price, you pay through the nose for it. |
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jamesgangnc wrote:
Total tripe. Straight from the yamaha pwc manual "if yamalube is not available, any twc3 oil may be used.". You're right, nothing to debate, you're just plain wrong. Hell, we were running ashless oil in our dirt bikes 30 years ago. And there's nothing different about the manufacturer brand oil except the price, you pay through the nose for it. James, Please accept my sincere apologies for not following what is now normal decorum in this NG. I do my best to participate when I think I can add meaningful insight to those who seek it, and I bow out when it's clear people want to draw me into something else. As an aside, BRP is quite specific in their Sea-Doo manuals about TCW-3 oils NOT be used as alternatives, but since I am not a PWC dealer I shall step aside to let you have the floor on this matter if you wish. A quick thank you is in order as well. I took a quick trip down memory lane by googling my name in reference to this Newsgroup and found some stuff from the 90's. -- Regards, Dave Brown Brown's Marina Ltd http://brownsmarina.com/ |
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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message ... "Dave Brown" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: Can someone give me the short answer on if this TC-WII Johnson oil is good to use in my '89 Merc 4 cyl TWO STROKE motor? Is there a discernable difference between TC-WII and TC-W3 oil? Very Quickly then... TCW = Two cycle water cooled. That means it's an 'ashless' oil and should NEVER be run in PWC type engines. It also means you NEVER run a lawnmower or chain saw oil in your outboard. I am NOT going to entertain debate about what's hype what's crap etc. I will simply state the following: I have been inside engines for all of my adult life (and all my teens too I guess) and can tell you there IS a difference. Just because an oil meets the spec, doesn't mean it's the best oil you can buy. OEM oils have more beneficial additives in them than straight spec non-OEM stuff. Do they make their own oil? No, but they require the oil companies to make their oil to their spec, and further prevent them from selling that spec oil as aftermarket. Does it cost that much extra to make? Nope, but there is no middle ground. You want their special additive packages that costs an extra nickel, you get to pay through the nose - no argument there. In final answer to your question, if you have TCW-2 oil, it's VERY old and worth 50 cents less than you paid for it. ;-) Now stop being so damn cheap and go enjoy your boat will ya? ;-) -- Total tripe. Straight from the yamaha pwc manual "if yamalube is not available, any twc3 oil may be used.". You're right, nothing to debate, you're just plain wrong. Hell, we were running ashless oil in our dirt bikes 30 years ago. And there's nothing different about the manufacturer brand oil except the price, you pay through the nose for it. I don't know. I think different "blenders" may have better quality control, etc. There is (or used to be) a law that required manufacturers to supply consumables like oil for free, *if* the manufacturer specified a specific brand name as being the only type that could be used. That may be the reason for the blurb in your Yamaha manual. I had an '06 BMW M5 that BMW *required* a special Mobil 1 synthetic blend designed for racing engines. The 500 hp M5 engine drank oil like it drank gas and required frequent oil replacement. I thought the BMW dealer was being nice by giving me oil free whenever I needed any, but it turns out they were required by law to do so. Eisboch |
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