"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military
commanders either.

*If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should
be fired, at the very least.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640


The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they
comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping
themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I
hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war,
but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and
creates all sorts of promotional opportunities.


I believe you believe that. What else could you possibly believe?
Fortunately, you are in the extreme minority.

I agree that they try to keep the "apparatus well-oiled". That's their
job.


Eisboch



Keep the apparatus well-oiled also means keeping themselves in uniform.

Fortunately. For you, too.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the
concept of organizing.


The operative word isn't "organizing". It's "community".

Eisboch



You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in
your area, do you think it is something other than "the community"
that is targeted?

Good grief.

Eisboch


When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:27:02 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640

You don't get to be a 4 star general officer without knowing a little
bit about politics and making friends on Capital Hill and the various
states with large military bases and defense contractors.

And you don't get to stay a 4 Star by undermining your CIC. ;-)

Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month
withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by
June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier
withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but
there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is
looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in
Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill.


My guess is that Petraeus and Gates feel Iraq's government is still too
fragile and more time is needed.
You can debate the reasons for being there, but we totally transformed
Iraq's politics.
It would be terrible to leave Iraq in chaos or to see lives lost in vain.

Of course Harry thinks they just want to justify their jobs.

Petraeus is also in charge of operations in Afghanistan. It seems
reasonable to conclude that he
would be anxious to wrap up operations in Iraq, focus on Afghanistan and
maybe even catching Bin Laden. He'd be a national hero.
So, there must be good reason for them to advise against too early of a pull
out in Iraq.

Eisboch

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:11:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month
withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by
June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier
withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but
there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is
looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in
Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill.

Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam.


--

"All right everyone, line up alphabetically according to
your height."

Casey Stengel

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam.



I heard yesterday that Russia has offered us help in Afghanistan.

Amazing the difference a few years makes.

Eisboch

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.


The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to
Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich.

Eisboch

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:11:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month
withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by
June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier
withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but
there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is
looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in
Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill.

Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam.

In Afghanistan you only control what you immediately occupy. Whoever you
are you ride into town and raise hell and the towns people cower in
fear. Then when your leave town the spit at you, curse you and wait for
the next idiots to ride into town. Nobody rules Afghanistan as a whole.
The Taliban didn't have control of the entire country when they were "in
charge."

On Feb 5, 5:43*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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US-IRAQ:
Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision
Gareth Porter*
Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military
commanders either.
"I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...."
Heh...
The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than
an executive.
Well, we'll see - time will tell.
--
"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."
W.C. Fields
Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter
cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are
thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded
himself with criminals, what do you expect?

When I think *of community organizers i automatically think of:

http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg

Or these guys:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg

You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the
concept of organizing.

The operative word isn't "organizing". * It's "community".

Eisboch

You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your
area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is
targeted?

Mo. O have no problem with community effort.

On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:58:00 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.


The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to
Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich.

LOL