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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:28:35 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to build. Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh? Figures. Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Well, maybe not. Heard an interesting factoid today. Until 1942, FDR and all his make work programs, the unemployment rate never fell below 14%. And Obama is proposing a new New Deal to fix employment problems. Plus while losing 500k jobs the Government issued 155k H-1 work visas. Secede and ask for foreign aid. Well as Supreme Being I could solve all those problems instantly. They are called Slave Labor Camps. :) |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. Eisboch I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or ideologues the way Bush did and does. Anyone who thought Obama was "radical" wasn't paying attention. Obama is a centrist who leans slightly left of center. There will be plenty of "change" the next four years, beginning 20 January 2009. I previously published a list of 10 changes I would like to see the incoming administration make. I'm confident Obama will make all of them. Meanwhile, I see that your boy, President "Call me a Total Failure" Bush is still appointing right-wing numnutzies to federal jobs, and pushing through rules and regulations to continue screwing with the environment and worker safety. He's a regular piece of ****, right to the end, an incompetent who has done his very best to ruin this country, |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to build. Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh? Figures. Eisboch It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is palpable. I would say that you don't know me very well. Which is understandable. Eisboch If I should know you by the sorts of statements you make about factory workers, then your true self is crystal clear. "Kinda like lemmings with an attitude, huh" says chapters about you. |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:58:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message m... "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to build. Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh? Figures. Eisboch It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is palpable. From what I gleaned here, Eisboch's *advantages* are the result of self-sacrifice and *hard* work. You know, the American way. You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck. You make your own luck by hard work. Just like all successful people. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. Eisboch I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or ideologues the way Bush did and does. Anyone who thought Obama was "radical" wasn't paying attention. Obama is a centrist who leans slightly left of center. There will be plenty of "change" the next four years, beginning 20 January 2009. I previously published a list of 10 changes I would like to see the incoming administration make. I'm confident Obama will make all of them. Meanwhile, I see that your boy, President "Call me a Total Failure" Bush is still appointing right-wing numnutzies to federal jobs, and pushing through rules and regulations to continue screwing with the environment and worker safety. He's a regular piece of ****, right to the end, an incompetent who has done his very best to ruin this country, I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. If there is going to be a scandal, it isn't going to be that one. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/804684.html |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:14:51 -0500, Boater
wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or ideologues the way Bush did and does. How the heck do you live with yourself issuing stupid statments like that? Holder, Richardson, Biden, Clinton (H), Podesta, Emmanual, Gorelich, Rice (Susan), Daschle, Geithner... Two, count'em, two former genreals - both what we used to call "flag pole" generals although to give one credit, at least he was a Marine - the other was a moron and a true insider's insider in the Pentagon. You really are a piece of work. |
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BAR wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Ahhh 401k's.... Too bad about those. That's one of the reasons why many people are having trouble being forced to ante up tax dollars to save GM and it's union in their current form and contractual relationships. The "majority" are watching their own retirement investments tank, and are concerned about their jobs, their families, their financial stability. If you are still employed where your 401k is located and operating, is there a mechanism to withdraw those funds without withholding or tax penalty, and put them into another sort of tax deferred account, some sort of IRA, where you have some say over where the funds are invested? I wouldn't trust "the market" with my retirement funds, but I might trust a federally insurance bank or banks. Are you that clueless? Do you know what the difference between a 401k and an IRA is? I guess you should get your buddies in Congress to have a mattress account in every 401k. What I was curious about was whether there was an escape valve for an employee who wanted to get the hell out of 401k's and put his funds somewhere reliable and rational. That's all. Yes, I know the difference. Read for content, dropout. You can participate in the 401k plan or you not participate in the 401k plan. The latter will give you all of the options you want. There are disadvantages to both plans. But, you get to make the choice. Does a union worker have an option with respect to the union retirement plan? Why has your tone softened? |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:02:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. Statute provides that those born on foreign soil to servicemen or diplomats serving are "natural born -- which is what makes John McCain "natural born." That same statute the Nationality Act of 1940 (amended in 19652) requires the U.S. Citizen to have resided in the U.S. for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14. Ann Dunham was only 18 when BHO was born. Obama's father lived in the US less than a year. Obama's biological father was a Kenyan citizen and Obama's mother a U.S. citizen who was not old enough to register Obama's birth in Hawaii as a "natural born" United States Citizen. It's technical I know, and a little silly I readily admit, but... More political hay has been made out of technical legal issues which are totally silly - it's a politicians stock-in-trade. Oh, not this crap again. The right-wing fruitcakes have been working the "Obama is not a natural born citizen" crap for months. The Supremes refused to cert such a case yesterday and will do the same with the Berg case. Get over it. Your boy and his brainless bimbo lost. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to build. Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh? Figures. Eisboch It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is palpable. From what I gleaned here, Eisboch's *advantages* are the result of self-sacrifice and *hard* work. You know, the American way. You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck. An old sage once said "**** doesn't happen, you let it happen." Luck is sitting around in your underwear when the Publisher's Clearing House check guys come knocking at your door. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you? |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:58:13 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to build. Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh? Figures. Eisboch It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for workers who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is palpable. From what I gleaned here, Eisboch's *advantages* are the result of self-sacrifice and *hard* work. You know, the American way. You forgot the most important ingredient. Luck. You make your own luck by hard work. Just like all successful people. Many of those who work factory jobs don't have what it takes to do more than show up every day for work and do a good job. That shouldn't make them objects for your scorn. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote: I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you? OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-) |
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Boater wrote: BAR wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Ahhh 401k's.... Too bad about those. That's one of the reasons why many people are having trouble being forced to ante up tax dollars to save GM and it's union in their current form and contractual relationships. The "majority" are watching their own retirement investments tank, and are concerned about their jobs, their families, their financial stability. If you are still employed where your 401k is located and operating, is there a mechanism to withdraw those funds without withholding or tax penalty, and put them into another sort of tax deferred account, some sort of IRA, where you have some say over where the funds are invested? I wouldn't trust "the market" with my retirement funds, but I might trust a federally insurance bank or banks. Are you that clueless? Do you know what the difference between a 401k and an IRA is? I guess you should get your buddies in Congress to have a mattress account in every 401k. What I was curious about was whether there was an escape valve for an employee who wanted to get the hell out of 401k's and put his funds somewhere reliable and rational. That's all. Yes, I know the difference. Read for content, dropout. You can participate in the 401k plan or you not participate in the 401k plan. The latter will give you all of the options you want. There are disadvantages to both plans. But, you get to make the choice. Does a union worker have an option with respect to the union retirement plan? Why has your tone softened? D'oh. I am referring to those still working for an employer who have funds in 401k plans and want to get those funds out and invest them somewhere a bit more reliable than the crooked stock market. I understand they can decide not to have any more of their funds put into the 401k. The question was getting those funds out to reinvest them someplace more reliable. The answer to your question about union workers is...many do, some don't. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:14:51 -0500, Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or ideologues the way Bush did and does. How the heck do you live with yourself issuing stupid statments like that? Holder, Richardson, Biden, Clinton (H), Podesta, Emmanual, Gorelich, Rice (Susan), Daschle, Geithner... Two, count'em, two former genreals - both what we used to call "flag pole" generals although to give one credit, at least he was a Marine - the other was a moron and a true insider's insider in the Pentagon. You really are a piece of work. I don't consider any of Obama's appointees incompetent party hacks or idealogues. You're certainly entitled to your political opinions, but since your party lost big time, I'm not concerned about them. What you care about former generals and $4.00 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:29:23 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. If there is going to be a scandal, it isn't going to be that one. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/804684.html I did say it was silly, but it's still a valid issue and it will be reviewed at some point - it has to be because it's at the very core of what is and isnt' an American. I'm telling you - it's going to become an issue. Besides, it's all in Congress's hands anyway - they can fix this quickly and easily. However, the "scandal" will come from trying to make that "fix". It's going to happen. It's a valid issue? Only to the right wing sore losermen. |
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Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:02:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. Statute provides that those born on foreign soil to servicemen or diplomats serving are "natural born -- which is what makes John McCain "natural born." That same statute the Nationality Act of 1940 (amended in 19652) requires the U.S. Citizen to have resided in the U.S. for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14. Ann Dunham was only 18 when BHO was born. Obama's father lived in the US less than a year. Obama's biological father was a Kenyan citizen and Obama's mother a U.S. citizen who was not old enough to register Obama's birth in Hawaii as a "natural born" United States Citizen. It's technical I know, and a little silly I readily admit, but... More political hay has been made out of technical legal issues which are totally silly - it's a politicians stock-in-trade. Oh, not this crap again. The right-wing fruitcakes have been working the "Obama is not a natural born citizen" crap for months. The Supremes refused to cert such a case yesterday and will do the same with the Berg case. Get over it. Your boy and his brainless bimbo lost. Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:48:36 -0500, Boater wrote:
I don't consider any of Obama's appointees incompetent party hacks or idealogues. You're certainly entitled to your political opinions, but since your party lost big time, I'm not concerned about them. What you care about former generals and $4.00 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks. Personally, I've been quite impressed with his picks, mostly centrists and pragmatists. You can quibble here and there, but they are all very qualified. I would expect there confirmations to breeze through. |
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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote: Boater wrote: BAR wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Ahhh 401k's.... Too bad about those. That's one of the reasons why many people are having trouble being forced to ante up tax dollars to save GM and it's union in their current form and contractual relationships. The "majority" are watching their own retirement investments tank, and are concerned about their jobs, their families, their financial stability. If you are still employed where your 401k is located and operating, is there a mechanism to withdraw those funds without withholding or tax penalty, and put them into another sort of tax deferred account, some sort of IRA, where you have some say over where the funds are invested? I wouldn't trust "the market" with my retirement funds, but I might trust a federally insurance bank or banks. Are you that clueless? Do you know what the difference between a 401k and an IRA is? I guess you should get your buddies in Congress to have a mattress account in every 401k. What I was curious about was whether there was an escape valve for an employee who wanted to get the hell out of 401k's and put his funds somewhere reliable and rational. That's all. Yes, I know the difference. Read for content, dropout. You can participate in the 401k plan or you not participate in the 401k plan. The latter will give you all of the options you want. There are disadvantages to both plans. But, you get to make the choice. Does a union worker have an option with respect to the union retirement plan? Why has your tone softened? D'oh. I am referring to those still working for an employer who have funds in 401k plans and want to get those funds out and invest them somewhere a bit more reliable than the crooked stock market. I They can place them in money market accounts or bond accounts. Each and every 401k plan will have one or both of these. understand they can decide not to have any more of their funds put into the 401k. The question was getting those funds out to reinvest them someplace more reliable. They can always quit their jobs to get at the money. The answer to your question about union workers is...many do, some don't. For those who don't why not? Why are they stuck in a pension plan that offers them no choices. |
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Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:14:51 -0500, Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or ideologues the way Bush did and does. How the heck do you live with yourself issuing stupid statments like that? Holder, Richardson, Biden, Clinton (H), Podesta, Emmanual, Gorelich, Rice (Susan), Daschle, Geithner... Two, count'em, two former genreals - both what we used to call "flag pole" generals although to give one credit, at least he was a Marine - the other was a moron and a true insider's insider in the Pentagon. You really are a piece of work. I don't consider any of Obama's appointees incompetent party hacks or idealogues. You're certainly entitled to your political opinions, but since your party lost big time, I'm not concerned about them. What you care about former generals and $4.00 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks. That is the major difference between you and those of us on the right side of the political fence. We see ideologues and hacks on our side of the fence and your side of the fence. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:
Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote: Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html That is the computer generated one. As I said, I have one of those from the State of Washington. I also have a photo copy of my Birth Certificate from the State of Washington too that was generated in September of 1961. I want to see a photo copy of the birth certificate issued in August of 1961 for The Obama. Anyone can printout a piece of paper and put some stamps on it. But, forging a document and embossing it with a 50 year old seal takes a real professional. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:34:09 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:29:23 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. If there is going to be a scandal, it isn't going to be that one. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/804684.html I did say it was silly, but it's still a valid issue and it will be reviewed at some point - it has to be because it's at the very core of what is and isnt' an American. I'm telling you - it's going to become an issue. Besides, it's all in Congress's hands anyway - they can fix this quickly and easily. However, the "scandal" will come from trying to make that "fix". It's going to happen. Forgot to add this: http://daveweigel.com/?p=2003 |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:04:37 -0600, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote: Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 Ah - my friend it may not be a legitimate certificate - by law. For the reasons stated. That's what's going to be the issue - is that certificate a legal document based, as it is, on a flawed law? Again - I think it's silly and frankly, insulting to Obama and, this may surprize you, I'm on the opposite side - this is much to do about nothing - Congress can fix this immediately. But that's the issue - can Congress make this go away. And that's were the fun of discussing this is. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote: Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. Letr's not get side tracked here - that's not the issue. It is a legitimate certificate of birth - as far as it goes. The problem is that the circumstances of certification are extra legal as I stated. Let's not get all icky ballooky about the certificate itself - it's good. |
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Boater wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 04:02:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course, me. It is all about me you know. Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong. Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it is starting to look like four more years of the same. Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. Statute provides that those born on foreign soil to servicemen or diplomats serving are "natural born -- which is what makes John McCain "natural born." That same statute the Nationality Act of 1940 (amended in 19652) requires the U.S. Citizen to have resided in the U.S. for ten years, five of which were after the age of 14. Ann Dunham was only 18 when BHO was born. Obama's father lived in the US less than a year. Obama's biological father was a Kenyan citizen and Obama's mother a U.S. citizen who was not old enough to register Obama's birth in Hawaii as a "natural born" United States Citizen. It's technical I know, and a little silly I readily admit, but... More political hay has been made out of technical legal issues which are totally silly - it's a politicians stock-in-trade. Oh, not this crap again. The right-wing fruitcakes have been working the "Obama is not a natural born citizen" crap for months. The Supremes refused to cert such a case yesterday and will do the same with the Berg case. Get over it. Your boy and his brainless bimbo lost. Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Yup...the right-wing fruitcakes...like Bertie. |
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wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote: Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. What you want is not relevant. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:19:43 -0500, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/ BREAKING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html That is the computer generated one. As I said, I have one of those from the State of Washington. I also have a photo copy of my Birth Certificate from the State of Washington too that was generated in September of 1961. I want to see a photo copy of the birth certificate issued in August of 1961 for The Obama. Anyone can printout a piece of paper and put some stamps on it. But, forging a document and embossing it with a 50 year old seal takes a real professional. Don't you think you might be getting a little paranoid? Put the above two links together, and most reasonable people would conclude Obama was born in Hawaii. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote: wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote: Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth? Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. Letr's not get side tracked here - that's not the issue. It is a legitimate certificate of birth - as far as it goes. The problem is that the circumstances of certification are extra legal as I stated. Let's not get all icky ballooky about the certificate itself - it's good. Game over, Tom. Move on. The Hawaii certificate is almost exactly the same as the one I got from New Haven when I applied for a passport. Good enough is good enough is good enough. The Supremes are *not* going to cert any of these soreloserman cases. Find another issue, like whether your party is really going to nominate Sarah Palin in 2012. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:24 -0500, Boater
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote: I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you? OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-) Tom is just sore because his over-the-hill idea-less pseudorightie and his dumb bimbo running mate lost big time. And right there is the reason you are despised and reviled by all who participate here. And yes - I did say all. You cannot, and are incapable of, discussing issues in a calm rational manner without getting into personal insults and outrageous statements. You can't keep up, so you resort to negativity. Ask around Harry - I've often defended you in side conversations with different participants, but sometimes when you post crap like this, it becomes very hard to do. You are nothing more than a slightly more literate slammer2. You are all venom and spite just like slammer. So, with that in mind, I'm through with you for a while. Again. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:34:09 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:29:23 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100 days. If there is going to be a scandal, it isn't going to be that one. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/804684.html I did say it was silly, but it's still a valid issue and it will be reviewed at some point - it has to be because it's at the very core of what is and isnt' an American. I'm telling you - it's going to become an issue. Besides, it's all in Congress's hands anyway - they can fix this quickly and easily. However, the "scandal" will come from trying to make that "fix". It's going to happen. Forgot to add this: http://daveweigel.com/?p=2003 It's not a scandal. It's a right-wing erotic fantasy. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote: I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you? Actually yes. To hear Mrs. Wave and her fellow travelers talk that is. And read the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post. Kos has participating bloggers from all over the political spectrum, including the far, far left. It's what makes it interesting sometimes. But the far lefties don't get the attention in the Democratic party that the far righties get in the Republican party, because the Republican party is mostly far righties these days. *White* far righties. It isn't often one gets to see evolution in action. It is quite pleasurable watching the Republican party being evolved out of existence. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:19:43 -0500, BAR wrote: wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote: http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/ BREAKING01/81031064 We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not one in the same. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html That is the computer generated one. As I said, I have one of those from the State of Washington. I also have a photo copy of my Birth Certificate from the State of Washington too that was generated in September of 1961. I want to see a photo copy of the birth certificate issued in August of 1961 for The Obama. Anyone can printout a piece of paper and put some stamps on it. But, forging a document and embossing it with a 50 year old seal takes a real professional. Don't you think you might be getting a little paranoid? Put the above two links together, and most reasonable people would conclude Obama was born in Hawaii. It's not paranoia; it's the Republican wet dream. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:41:02 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:24 -0500, Boater wrote: wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote: I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are coming from your flock. Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you? OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-) Tom is just sore because his over-the-hill idea-less pseudorightie and his dumb bimbo running mate lost big time. And right there is the reason you are despised and reviled by all who participate here. And yes - I did say all. You cannot, and are incapable of, discussing issues in a calm rational manner without getting into personal insults and outrageous statements. You can't keep up, so you resort to negativity. Ask around Harry - I've often defended you in side conversations with different participants, but sometimes when you post crap like this, it becomes very hard to do. You are nothing more than a slightly more literate slammer2. You are all venom and spite just like slammer. So, with that in mind, I'm through with you for a while. Again. Welcome to the club. -- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H |
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