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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:55:43 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:48:36 -0500, Boater wrote:


I don't consider any of Obama's appointees incompetent party hacks or
idealogues. You're certainly entitled to your political opinions, but
since your party lost big time, I'm not concerned about them. What you
care about former generals and $4.00 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks.

Personally, I've been quite impressed with his picks, mostly centrists
and pragmatists. You can quibble here and there, but they are all very
qualified. I would expect there confirmations to breeze through.

Well with two exceptions - Holder and Rice - I would agree with you.

Holder, remember, is the guy who wants to limit free speech -
specificlly the internet and bloggers comparing them to child
pornographers.

And Rice was the one who advocated a UN takeover of Isreal - basically
an invasion - to give the land back to the Palestinians.

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:24 -0500, Boater
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are
coming from your flock.
Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to
they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you?
OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-)
Tom is just sore because his over-the-hill idea-less pseudorightie and
his dumb bimbo running mate lost big time.

And right there is the reason you are despised and reviled by all who
participate here.

And yes - I did say all.

You cannot, and are incapable of, discussing issues in a calm rational
manner without getting into personal insults and outrageous
statements. You can't keep up, so you resort to negativity.

Ask around Harry - I've often defended you in side conversations with
different participants, but sometimes when you post crap like this, it
becomes very hard to do.

You are nothing more than a slightly more literate slammer2. You are
all venom and spite just like slammer.

So, with that in mind, I'm through with you for a while.

Again.


I'm pulling your leg - again - Tom. An interesting fact about you is
that you like to pull the legs of others, but when others do it to you,
you get ****ed - fast. You also get very upset very fast when others
deign to question your opinions. As evidence of the latter, I offer up
your defensiveness about eTec outboards and 4/3'ds format cameras.

I think McCain was badly used by the GOP. I think he is a better man
than the one his campaign depicted. But I don't think he wears his age
and his hard life well, and I believe they caught up to him during the
campaign.

My opinion on Palin, though, is the same: brainless. dangerous,
ideologue and first-class ditz.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:27:50 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:04:37 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant
of the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the
state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

Ah - my friend it may not be a legitimate certificate - by law. For the
reasons stated.

That's what's going to be the issue - is that certificate a legal
document based, as it is, on a flawed law?

Again - I think it's silly and frankly, insulting to Obama and, this may
surprize you, I'm on the opposite side - this is much to do about
nothing - Congress can fix this immediately.

But that's the issue - can Congress make this go away.

And that's were the fun of discussing this is.

However, the law you mentioned the Nationality Act of 1940 isn't the one
that applies. That law was superseded by the Immigration and Nationality
Act of 1952 (McCarren Walter Act).

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, section 349 (a), provided:

“From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a
national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall
lose his nationality by -- (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign
state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf
by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a
parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That *nationality
shall not be lost by any person under this section* as the result of the
naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age
of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on
behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian,
or duly authorized agent, *unless such person shall fail to enter the
United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-
fifth birthday*: ....�

Section 355 of that Act provided that:

“A person having United States nationality, who is under the age of
twenty-one and whose residence is in a foreign state with or under the
legal custody of a parent who hereafter loses United States nationality
under section 350 or 352 of this title, shall also lose his United States
nationality if such person has or acquires the nationality of such
foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, *United States nationality
shall not be lost as the result of loss of United States nationality by
the parent unless and until the person attains the age of twenty-five
years without having established his residence in the United States*.�

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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the
state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate.

What you want is not relevant.

Sure it is. I am a US citizen.

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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:41:02 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:24 -0500, Boater
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The complaints are
coming from your flock.
Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to
they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you?
OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-)
Tom is just sore because his over-the-hill idea-less pseudorightie and
his dumb bimbo running mate lost big time.
And right there is the reason you are despised and reviled by all who
participate here.

And yes - I did say all.

You cannot, and are incapable of, discussing issues in a calm rational
manner without getting into personal insults and outrageous
statements. You can't keep up, so you resort to negativity.

Ask around Harry - I've often defended you in side conversations with
different participants, but sometimes when you post crap like this, it
becomes very hard to do.

You are nothing more than a slightly more literate slammer2. You are
all venom and spite just like slammer.

So, with that in mind, I'm through with you for a while.

Again.


Welcome to the club.


Why, it's John Herring...the "Christian."

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BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so
ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the
state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate.

What you want is not relevant.

Sure it is. I am a US citizen.


Yeah? Prove it. How do we know your birth certificates were not
photoshopped, and that you haven't bribed someone at the hall of records
in the city where you were born?

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wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:19:43 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081031/
BREAKING01/81031064
We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks
after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated
piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not
one in the same.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
That is the computer generated one. As I said, I have one of those from
the State of Washington. I also have a photo copy of my Birth
Certificate from the State of Washington too that was generated in
September of 1961. I want to see a photo copy of the birth certificate
issued in August of 1961 for The Obama.

Anyone can printout a piece of paper and put some stamps on it. But,
forging a document and embossing it with a 50 year old seal takes a real
professional.

Don't you think you might be getting a little paranoid? Put the above
two links together, and most reasonable people would conclude Obama was
born in Hawaii.

A birth announcement in a newspaper means nothing.

A certificate of live birth can be forged.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:59:14 -0600, thunder wrote:


However, the law you mentioned the Nationality Act of 1940 isn't the one
that applies. That law was superseded by the Immigration and
Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarren Walter Act).

And, the McCarren Walter Act was superseded by the Immigration and
Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994, which is retroactive.

UNITED STATE CODE
TITLE 8 CHAPTER 12 SUBCHAPTER III Part I § 1401
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States
and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the
other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such
person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying
possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at
least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years… (LINK
(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8...----000-.html))

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Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:24 -0500, Boater
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:36:51 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:25:24 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


I am not the one doing the complaining about Obama. The
complaints are
coming from your flock.
Are you sure? Those that are writing those articles, whose flock to
they belong to? Personally, I haven't heard any complaints, have you?
OK, OK, there is Tom. ;-)
Tom is just sore because his over-the-hill idea-less pseudorightie
and his dumb bimbo running mate lost big time.

And right there is the reason you are despised and reviled by all who
participate here.

And yes - I did say all.

You cannot, and are incapable of, discussing issues in a calm rational
manner without getting into personal insults and outrageous
statements. You can't keep up, so you resort to negativity.

Ask around Harry - I've often defended you in side conversations with
different participants, but sometimes when you post crap like this, it
becomes very hard to do.

You are nothing more than a slightly more literate slammer2. You are
all venom and spite just like slammer.

So, with that in mind, I'm through with you for a while.

Again.


I'm pulling your leg - again - Tom. An interesting fact about you is
that you like to pull the legs of others, but when others do it to you,
you get ****ed - fast. You also get very upset very fast when others
deign to question your opinions. As evidence of the latter, I offer up
your defensiveness about eTec outboards and 4/3'ds format cameras.

You need to work on you ass kissing.

I think McCain was badly used by the GOP. I think he is a better man
than the one his campaign depicted. But I don't think he wears his age
and his hard life well, and I believe they caught up to him during the
campaign.

McCain is an idiot. Always was and always will be. Just ask his mother.

My opinion on Palin, though, is the same: brainless. dangerous,
ideologue and first-class ditz.

Your opinion means nothing.

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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:


Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so
ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the
state of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate.

What you want is not relevant.

Sure it is. I am a US citizen.


Yeah? Prove it. How do we know your birth certificates were not
photoshopped, and that you haven't bribed someone at the hall of records
in the city where you were born?


Contact the State of Washington's Vital Records Department.