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Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Ahhh 401k's.... Too bad about those.

That's one of the reasons why many people are having trouble being
forced to ante up tax dollars to
save GM and it's union in their current form and contractual
relationships. The "majority" are watching their own retirement
investments tank, and are concerned about their jobs, their
families, their financial stability.

If you are still employed where your 401k is located and operating,
is there a mechanism to withdraw those funds without withholding or
tax penalty, and put them into another sort of tax deferred
account, some sort of IRA, where you have some say over where the
funds are invested?
I wouldn't trust "the market" with my retirement funds, but I might
trust a federally insurance bank or banks.

Are you that clueless? Do you know what the difference between a
401k and an IRA is?

I guess you should get your buddies in Congress to have a mattress
account in every 401k.

What I was curious about was whether there was an escape valve for an
employee who wanted to get the hell out of 401k's and put his funds
somewhere reliable and rational. That's all. Yes, I know the difference.
Read for content, dropout.

You can participate in the 401k plan or you not participate in the
401k plan. The latter will give you all of the options you want. There
are disadvantages to both plans. But, you get to make the choice.

Does a union worker have an option with respect to the union
retirement plan?

Why has your tone softened?

D'oh. I am referring to those still working for an employer who have
funds in 401k plans and want to get those funds out and invest them
somewhere a bit more reliable than the crooked stock market. I

They can place them in money market accounts or bond accounts. Each and
every 401k plan will have one or both of these.

understand they can decide not to have any more of their funds put into
the 401k. The question was getting those funds out to reinvest them
someplace more reliable.

They can always quit their jobs to get at the money.

The answer to your question about union workers is...many do, some don't.

For those who don't why not? Why are they stuck in a pension plan that
offers them no choices.

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Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:14:51 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.
Maybe not. Some of your own party members are complaining that it
is starting to look like
four more years of the same.
I hadn't noticed that Obama was appointing incompetent party hacks or
ideologues the way Bush did and does.

How the heck do you live with yourself issuing stupid statments like
that?

Holder, Richardson, Biden, Clinton (H), Podesta, Emmanual, Gorelich,
Rice (Susan), Daschle, Geithner...

Two, count'em, two former genreals - both what we used to call "flag
pole" generals although to give one credit, at least he was a Marine -
the other was a moron and a true insider's insider in the Pentagon.

You really are a piece of work.

I don't consider any of Obama's appointees incompetent party hacks or
idealogues. You're certainly entitled to your political opinions, but
since your party lost big time, I'm not concerned about them. What you
care about former generals and $4.00 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks.

That is the major difference between you and those of us on the right
side of the political fence. We see ideologues and hacks on our side of
the fence and your side of the fence.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:

Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state
of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

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wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:

Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state
of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks
after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated
piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not
one in the same.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks
after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated
piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not
one in the same.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

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wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064
We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks
after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated
piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not
one in the same.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

That is the computer generated one. As I said, I have one of those from
the State of Washington. I also have a photo copy of my Birth
Certificate from the State of Washington too that was generated in
September of 1961. I want to see a photo copy of the birth certificate
issued in August of 1961 for The Obama.

Anyone can printout a piece of paper and put some stamps on it. But,
forging a document and embossing it with a 50 year old seal takes a real
professional.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:34:09 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:29:23 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Interesting - there is going to be a "scandal" during his first 100
days.

If there is going to be a scandal, it isn't going to be that one.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...ry/804684.html

I did say it was silly, but it's still a valid issue and it will be
reviewed at some point - it has to be because it's at the very core of
what is and isnt' an American.

I'm telling you - it's going to become an issue.

Besides, it's all in Congress's hands anyway - they can fix this
quickly and easily. However, the "scandal" will come from trying to
make that "fix".

It's going to happen.

Forgot to add this:

http://daveweigel.com/?p=2003

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:04:37 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:

Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state
of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

Ah - my friend it may not be a legitimate certificate - by law. For
the reasons stated.

That's what's going to be the issue - is that certificate a legal
document based, as it is, on a flawed law?

Again - I think it's silly and frankly, insulting to Obama and, this
may surprize you, I'm on the opposite side - this is much to do about
nothing - Congress can fix this immediately.

But that's the issue - can Congress make this go away.

And that's were the fun of discussing this is.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:09:58 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:50:55 -0500, BAR wrote:

Does the rule of law mean anything? From where do the laws of the USA
come? I find it interesting that a lawyer, The Obama, is so ignorant of
the laws of the USA. What is he hiding regarding his birth?

Absolutely nothing, he has disclosed his birth certificate, and the state
of Hawaii has declared it legitimate.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...ING01/81031064

We have seen a computer generated piece of paper. What we want is a
photo copy of his birth certificate. I Was born just a couple of weeks
after The Obama in Washington State. I have both a computer generated
piece of paper and a photo copy of my birth certificate. They are not
one in the same.

Letr's not get side tracked here - that's not the issue. It is a
legitimate certificate of birth - as far as it goes.

The problem is that the circumstances of certification are extra legal
as I stated.

Let's not get all icky ballooky about the certificate itself - it's
good.

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