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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had
it for siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven
a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the
nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not
that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here
challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you
responded with a statement indicating that you only used it for towing
your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had
use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an
aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards and
autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl Harbor"?
That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese truck and
outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not all
drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their small penis?

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had
it for siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven
a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the
nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not
that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here
challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you
responded with a statement indicating that you only used it for
towing your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite
make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between
workers and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto
workers are unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of
the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I
am hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return
to the good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM
offered such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy"
SUVs. I had use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were
driving an aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards and
autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl Harbor"?
That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese truck and
outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not all
drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their small
penis?





\

My belief in "made in America" declined at about the same rate as made
in America content declined in manufactured goods.

Drooling redneck idiots are not confined to those who have handguns.
Loogy and JustHate come to mind.

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Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had
it for siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was
driven a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here
to the nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown
DC, not that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it.
I couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it
replaced a Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone
here challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and
you responded with a statement indicating that you only used it for
towing your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite
make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between
workers and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto
workers are unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of
the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he
retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I
am hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return
to the good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM
offered such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy"
SUVs. I had use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were
driving an aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards and
autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl
Harbor"? That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese
truck and outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not all
drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their small
penis?





\

My belief in "made in America" declined at about the same rate as made
in America content declined in manufactured goods.

So in one year, the auto and outboard engine mfg'er content went down
the crapper?

Drooling redneck idiots are not confined to those who have handguns.
Loogy and JustHate come to mind.

That was the reason you were a proponent of making handgun ownership
illegal. There was no reason anyone in the US needed a handgun, that in
reality a shotgun would be a better form of home defense than a handgun,
and that more people were killed by their own handguns, then were ever
saved by using them for protection. You used to relish insulting
handgun owners by telling them in numerous different renditions, that
they were rednecks who only purchased a handgun, to compensate for their
sexual deficiencies?

This was your position, until you purchased a handgun. Now you think
handgun ownership is prudent behavior as long as one takes a handgun
safety course and practices on a regularly basis. Those who don't own a
handgun are wussies and too scared to protect them self. Have you
noticed that your firmly held, strong values and beliefs have a tendency
to change with the wind.

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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my
daily driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in
2004, had it for siz years, according to you...that means it is
2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was
driven a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from
here to the nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to
downtown DC, not that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it.
I couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it
replaced a Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone
here challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union)
and you responded with a statement indicating that you only used it
for towing your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't
quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between
workers and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto
workers are unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part
of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he
retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I
am hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return
to the good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met
*my* needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have
the capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM
offered such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy"
SUVs. I had use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I
were driving an aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards
and autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl
Harbor"? That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese
truck and outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not
all drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their
small penis?





\

My belief in "made in America" declined at about the same rate as made
in America content declined in manufactured goods.

So in one year, the auto and outboard engine mfg'er content went down
the crapper?



Find another hobby.

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:56:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.


You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for
siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.



Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch



Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven a
lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the nearest
decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not that I drive in
that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a couple
of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my daily
driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a Ford
P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged your
choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it had
100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


Sorry about the 'six year' confusion. I read this:

************************************************** *****
"4Runner with 100,000 miles. Still in good shape, but only used as a boat
ramp tow vehicle these days. When we got it, Ford and GM didn't make a
mid-sized SUV with similar tow capacity, as I recall, and, of course, I
wouldn't take a Chrysler product on a bet, not with those old-tech
pushrod engines.

That was almost six years ago, though. I haven't stayed "current" with
what is being offered by Ford or GM these days. In fact, I'm not really
that interested in cars these days."
************************************************** ********

That first sentence in the second paragraph, where Harry says, "That was
almost six years ago..." threw me. I thought he meant 'six years', not
four. Wow, what a screwup.
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John H

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:10:55 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Ahhh 401k's.... Too bad about those.


That's one of the reasons why many people are having trouble being
forced to ante up tax dollars to
save GM and it's union in their current form and contractual
relationships. The "majority" are watching their own retirement
investments tank, and are concerned about their jobs, their families,
their financial stability.


If you are still employed where your 401k is located and operating, is
there a mechanism to withdraw those funds without withholding or tax
penalty, and put them into another sort of tax deferred account, some
sort of IRA, where you have some say over where the funds are invested?
I wouldn't trust "the market" with my retirement funds, but I might
trust a federally insurance bank or banks.

Some 401k plans allow for a portion to be rolled out into a qualified
plan - which means no taxes/penalties - after certain age/employment
requirements are met. They vary widely, but I'd venture to say most
require you leave employment.
This is how the stock market got so inflated - you lock in as many of
the Ponzi captives as you can. Any equity trading IRA will have no
guarantees, but there are FDIC
insured IRA CD's. That's what I put my retirement money in when I got
a portion out before retirement, then all after retirement.
I immediately tripled my returns in the free market.
In the captive 401k my only "safe" option was the money market fund
which offered littler return.
BTW, one of the first financial bailout actions by the feds was to
guarantee 401k money market funds at 1.00 par value.
Money markets can go negative. If they did there would be no safe
haven in 401k's and that would have been a *real* disaster.
I think Obama's team - maybe Clinton's - mentioned allowing
non-penalized withdrawals from 401k's as an option for those facing
mortgage foreclosure, and Wall Street had a **** fit at the
suggestion.

--Vic


I like FDIC insured IRA CD's. I was wondering if there were a way folks
could pull their money out of 401k programs while still employed and put
them into something not under the control of the wall street crooks.

When I was employed (AT&T)we had the choice of several investment buckets.
They ranged from risky to highly conservative. I certainly can't speak for
all plans but that's the way it was for me.

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"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
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They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Eisboch



It's the way U.S. auto factories are operated. The disdain for workers
who haven't had some of the advantages you have had is palpable.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:54:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.
Kinda like Lemmings with an attitude, huh?

Figures.

Can we get back to talking about Supreme Beings - meaning of course,
me.

It is all about me you know.


Some Supreme Being. You called the election wrong.